Blue Jays Discussion: The "We could use the Man in White after today" Edition

[stavs*]

if Karma is real, the yanks will lose here.

Karma is real!!

 

[mikebel111*]

Showing once again Closers are very overrated
So glad AA didnt waste money on them

 

[stavs*]

onto the angels game now! lets go whitesox

 

[Daisy Jane]

Showing once again Closers are very overrated
So glad AA didnt waste money on them

how are they over-rated?

i can see how one specific person is over-rated but an entire class of pitcher?

 

[King Mapes]

Showing once again Closers are very overrated
So glad AA didnt waste money on them

Remember many wanted Casey back? I forgot all about him now.

 

[Canada4Gold]

how are they over-rated?

i can see how one specific person is over-rated but an entire class of pitcher?

the spot. They get lots of money to come in and not give up a run in the 9th when lots of pitchers do just that in earlier innings.

The "proven closer" is overrated when you can just go out and get a good pen arm for cheaper who can basically do the job just as well.

Look at Osuna, was a rookie from A ball before this year, now he's a closer, who's doing really well. Not because he was a proven closer before the year but because he's a good pitcher, and just about any good pitcher can close. But dumb GM's go out and pay 10 million per year for guys who've proven to be able to do that. It's such a waste.

 

[ADifferentTim]

Cleveland sucks!

As a Yankees fan, go blame the very people that prevented the late George Steinbrenner from buying the Indians. And he grew up an Indians fan!

 

[trellaine201]

Remember many wanted Casey back? I forgot all about him now.

Hmm is he pitching? injured? DL?

 

[King Mapes]

how are they over-rated?

i can see how one specific person is over-rated but an entire class of pitcher?

Oh DJ...

Reason most say that is because they pitch one inning and most times, unless the reliever is horrendous, you'd still win most times. Relievers are also very streaky year to year typically. We haven't spent much on our bullpen at all yet have a very reliable Pen. Others will spend crazy amounts when you could use that money elsewhere.

 

[King Mapes]

Hmm is he pitching? injured? DL?

He's pitching setup (I believe) with the Nats. Pitched an inning last night.

 

[King Mapes]

Oh and Yanks lost!! Pretty nervous at the end. 1.5 back. Looks like a good night so far. Now take 2/3 from the Angels.

 

[SDig14]

Glad to get a win outta these 4 from a starter not named Corrasco or Salazar. Indians should get an easy 2-2 split but I'm feeling them winning 3 outta 4!!

 

[Kurtz]

the spot. They get lots of money to come in and not give up a run in the 9th when lots of pitchers do just that in earlier innings.

The "proven closer" is overrated when you can just go out and get a good pen arm for cheaper who can basically do the job just as well.

Look at Osuna, was a rookie from A ball before this year, now he's a closer, who's doing really well. Not because he was a proven closer before the year but because he's a good pitcher, and just about any good pitcher can close. But dumb GM's go out and pay 10 million per year for guys who've proven to be able to do that. It's such a waste.

We got extremely lucky with Osuna.

You remember we started the season with Castro and Cecil as our closers? Both guys tanked terribly and cost us a few games. Cecil is 11/17 in save situations over the past 3 years, despite being a stud reliever. Some guys may not have the disposition for it.

Also, yeah, we're getting great value in Osuna as a closer...but maybe we'd get even greater value out of him if we used him as a starter. We may do so next year, and then what, back to Cecil as closer? I suppose we can use Sanchez as a closer, but teams would pinch-hit with lefties and he's no lock against them. And besides, management may want him to start too.

 

[stavs*]

white sox bases loaded, no outs. Come on white sox

 

[trellaine201]

Victorino lol air mail

Nice pick up

 

[trellaine201]

So glad he's in LF

 

[SDig14]

That's a fair ball. Runners on 2nd and 3rd, 5-1.

 

[stavs*]

damn angels got run over this inning, reminiscent of the series we had with the phillies sort of

 

[TheTotalPackage]

Surprised they granted the runner at first to come home.

 

[trellaine201]

6-1 now. Pour it on!

 

[SDig14]

Or award the guy running from 1st home as well.

I've always wondered how they would decide that, beyond pure judgment.

 

[trellaine201]

Well based on he was running on the play. Kinda judgement call or perhaps where the runner was at the time.

 

[SDig14]

Well, from what I could tell, runner was halfway to 2nd when ball was thrown by the pitcher, and likely just rounding 2nd when the ball landed on the line.

I wonder if the runner is on 2nd or past when the ball lands they award him home?

Only weird thing there is if that ball kicks up into the stands, then he only gets 3rd, so I kinds figured umps would always be conservative and only give him 3rd instead of scoring him.

 

[canucksfan]

Scoreboard has been great to the Jays today

 

[trellaine201]

Yeah I thought for sure they would only give him 3rd base lucky for us and other teams they gave him home plate.