Player Discussion The Underrated Brock Boeser

[VanJack]

Boeser is living proof that you don't need explosive speed to be an effective scorer in the NHL. It's all about timing and anticipation.

But can you imagine how good a player he'd be if you could combine Boeser's hockey sense with Mikheyev's overall speed? Boeser needs help to score though....he really doesn't generate a ton of offense on his own.

But on the positive side, if he is traded, he's a 'plug and play' type of guy who'd look good in any team's system. Kind of reminds me of Tyler Tofoli in that regard.

The big issue with his tenure in Vancouver has always been cap related. At $6.5m a season, he is 'replaceable'. And the Canucks could desperately use his cap hit to plug holes elsewhere.

 

[F A N]

Even when he was being whipped on Sbisa-style, Boeser's the kind of guy who produces just because he knows where to go on the ice and who should have the puck. He can look soft and slow at times but he gives himself a chance every time just because he has really good hockey IQ while being able to finish plays. All that said, he can still be infuriating to watch because when he's not scoring or at least keeping possession he's not really the guy who will win foot races or win battles.

He is not reliable.He is streaky.He will score 2 or 3 goals then nothing for the next 10.He can be lazy,and plays to soft.He is like Cinderella on ice.Playoffs come and he is the 1 I'm watching the most.

It’s because he’s not really a play driver on his own and when the guy’s largely driving offense (Miller, Hughes and Pettersson) are struggling, Boeser doesn’t look great.

Some of it is on him though, as mentioned he’s had an abnormally low shooting percentage the past 4-5 weeks so maybe some bad luck, because Miller has still been chugging along.

If he was in Hyman’s position he’s the type that would easily soak 50 goals with McDavid, in my opinion.

That's the discussion right? We've seen Boeser at his worse where you don't even want him on your 3rd line. Boeser is being paid to score goals. He now has 38 goals 70 points. He's clearly not just a Cy Young-like shooter. Streaky or not, if he is scoring 30-40 goals a year that's something we don't have on the wing and not easy to replace.

There's a post earlier about Horvat being replaced. Well we "tried" to replace him with Lindholm.

Both Miller and Petey need a winger to play with. There's a huge gap between Boeser and other wingers we have in terms of offensive production right now. I won't bet on one of Garland, Hoglander, Joshua (if he re-signs), Mik etc. to be able to score close to 40 playing Boeser's minutes.

 

[TruGr1t]

That's the discussion right? We've seen Boeser at his worse where you don't even want him on your 3rd line. Boeser is being paid to score goals. He now has 38 goals 70 points. He's clearly not just a Cy Young-like shooter. Streaky or not, if he is scoring 30-40 goals a year that's something we don't have on the wing and not easy to replace.

There's a post earlier about Horvat being replaced. Well we "tried" to replace him with Lindholm.

Both Miller and Petey need a winger to play with. There's a huge gap between Boeser and other wingers we have in terms of offensive production right now. I won't bet on one of Garland, Hoglander, Joshua (if he re-signs), Mik etc. to be able to score close to 40 playing Boeser's minutes.

Well yes, but Boeser and Pettersson haven't really worked without Miller, who works with almost everyone due to his play-style and vision. Boeser and Pettersson have both fallen off the past two months, even when Boeser was with Miller.

We aren't struggling for someone to play with Miller, if you want to keep Boeser around to wing Miller it's fine. The issue is largely Pettersson-related at this point, as he's had a hard time playing centre with anyone since he was hot last year with Kuzmenko-Mikheyev.

We actually need to build some semi-permanent, top-six lines here at some point.

Assuming you pair Miller-Boeser and Pettersson-Hoglander, you still need two more top-six wingers to complete the lines. No more PDG or Mikheyev's please.

 

[theguardianII]

There's a post earlier about Horvat being replaced. Well we "tried" to replace him with Lindholm.

Boeser replaced Horvat's 30+ goals.

Assuming you pair Miller-Boeser and Pettersson-Hoglander, you still need two more top-six wingers to complete the lines. No more PDG or Mikheyev's please.

The line of Kuzmenko - Pettersson - Mikheyev never really got a chance.
Before Mikheyev left for knee surgery they were starting to get it together, this season for some reason Kuzmenko got into Tocchet's dog house and no player he doesn't like sticks.
The past history of OEL and him had to be the main reason to take on 8 yrs of cap pain rather then 4 yrs.
There will be players that fill the void many just need the added ice time playing with the best players on the team, like Boeser is.

So often when a goal is scored against the Canucks you can read the numbers on the jerseys of the pedestrians.

 

[arttk]

So underrated that there isn’t a bump after 40 goals. Happy for the guy, career season, hope he gets another 4 goal game before the season ends.

 

[alternate]

All the warm fuzzies for Brock and his family.

 

[Huhu]

18 goals = trade this bum
40 goals = trade this bum

Such is life

Congrats to Boeser on hitting 40!

 

[arttk]

18 goals = trade this bum
40 goals = trade this bum

Such is life

Congrats to Boeser on hitting 40!

Well, it’s more like… ugh 40 goals, that’s going to be expensive to keep and we can get a lot back for him and we got a lot of holes to plug.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

18 goals = trade this bum
40 goals = trade this bum

Such is life

Congrats to Boeser on hitting 40!

For me its not about him being a bum.

We have serious cap issues and selling high on Boeser seems like an option they really need to consider.

 

[Ace of Hades]

I'm happy that our boy Brock is starting off strong in the playoffs.

 

[sting101]

yes he really got stuck in and made smart plays throughout. Foot speed wasn't an issue as it hasn't been for most the year and was good 200ft

Plays a mature game now and rarely makes a poor decision. That 97mph shot from the slot was impressive as was the drive determination and play to get the puck to Hughes to tie the game

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I haven't clicked this thread for awhile. As i understand it now, we need (for cap purposes and team needs) to trade Brock Boeser for 2 Brock Boeser's who both have half the cap hit of the current Brock Boeser. Seems do-able. In Scotland they turned a sheep named Dolly into 2 sheep named Dolly and that was f***in years ago. Let's go...

 

[Misko]

Boeser is one of this teams few legitimate Top-6 wingers if we continue to utilize Lindholm, Garland and Joshua in 3rd line roles, which I do think is where they're currently the most effective. Fans of this team already complain that Petey is playing with 4th liners, trading Boeser would only make that situation worse, so if you trade Boeser then you have to replace him with another 1-2 top-6 wingers, which isn't going to be cheap if you try to do it through FA, and then you have to hope that one of them is capable of scoring 30+ goals like Boeser and more importantly that they have the same kind of chemistry that Boeser has had with JT and Petey.

Selling high on Boeser makes sense but it would also create new holes for the team to fill. The thing is though that Boeser is a legitimately good player who lacks footspeed but finds ways to compensate for that with his shot and smarts. I feel like he's one of the most likeable players on the team who has gone through a lot of adversity and has always stayed true to our team, saying all of the right things. It would be nice for once if the fanbase could reward a player who has taken a step forward and continues to give it his all with at least an appreciation for what he has done and hoping the best for him rather than lamenting his success and wanting to see him gone, he deserves better.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Boeser is Beast! He’s not just a 40 goal scorer, has so many intangibles to his game. Owns the boards, turned into a complete 2-way winger that doesn’t make many mistakes.

 

[CRDragon]

Boeser is Beast! He’s not just a 40 goal scorer, has so many intangibles to his game. Owns the boards, turned into a complete 2-way winger that doesn’t make many mistakes.

I swear not a lot of people realizes this.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I swear not a lot of people realizes this.

I honestly think the reason these boards are so down on Boeser is because of one highly respected poster has been on a smear campaign for years.

 

[PavelBure10]

For all the flack that Pettersson gets, Boeser in the playoffs has been no better. Time for our star players to start chipping in and start scoring. Low scoring isn't going to cut it especially with Demko out. Boeser, Pettersson, Miller and Hughes have to wake up.

 

[theguardianII]

For all the flack that Pettersson gets, Boeser in the playoffs has been no better. Time for our star players to start chipping in and start scoring. Low scoring isn't going to cut it especially with Demko out. Boeser, Pettersson, Miller and Hughes have to wake up.

But Boeser IS playing the same now as in the easy season, between the dots waiting for someone to pass him the puck.
Not the first checker hardly touches the puck at all.

IMO he has never been the same since the back injury AND the third wrist operation.

Since this is a Boeser thread just small comments about the others.
Miller is good but not Crosby, Malkin or Kucherov, Tocchet has him too controlled emotionally, the team need a heart and need that nastiness.
Hughes has to use his mobility to confuse the defensive structure of the Preds, embrace being the ROVER in the Dzone, be all over the place.
Pettersson just needs to forget the x's and o's and trying to be generous, unless he has an injury use that 100 mph slap shot and worry about where it is going after, stop trying to be Peter Forsberg

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

Great game tonight. MILTP.

 

[Ace of Hades]

Definitely one of our best fowards.

Miller definitely isn't carrying him here.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

For all the flack that Pettersson gets, Boeser in the playoffs has been no better. Time for our star players to start chipping in and start scoring. Low scoring isn't going to cut it especially with Demko out. Boeser, Pettersson, Miller and Hughes have to wake up.

This is a really bad take.

Boeser has been our best forward these playoffs.

 

[bossram]

This is a really bad take.

Boeser has been our best forward these playoffs.

Horrible take. Boeser has been excellent in both ends this series. He's also turned himself into an elite net-front player, forgoing being a shooter to one who will do the dirty work (forecheck, win board battles, and get to net).

I've been maybe the biggest Boeser booster here over his career, and pretty much always remained optimistic about him. It's nice to see him have the season he had, especially after what's he's gone through.

 

[theguardianII]

A fire hydrant could have scored that goal it was all Miller. All BB had to do was put his stick on the ice and stand there.

He has 0 hits in the series, only 3 shots and 2 blocked shots.
I just looked up the NHL stats, it is even worse.
He is the only player playing that many minutes that doesn't have a hit, this is NHL numbers.
He ranks DFL in forward rankings of all players playing more than 19 minutes a game, in every stat.

He needs to step it up, at least get to Hoglander's numbers and Hogs only averages just under 9 minutes a game, less than half his ice time.
Whatever happened to Tocchet's, "earn ice time" did he run out of players?

 

[RussianRacket]

Not the biggest Boeser fan. Slow, not great in the defensive zone, and not aggressive. The exact type of player to put up fancy regular season stats and then get disappeared in the playoffs. Hope I am wrong. Liked his goal last night and like that he will be the front of net guy.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Horrible take. Boeser has been excellent in both ends this series. He's also turned himself into an elite net-front player, forgoing being a shooter to one who will do the dirty work (forecheck, win board battles, and get to net).

I've been maybe the biggest Boeser booster here over his career, and pretty much always remained optimistic about him. It's nice to see him have the season he had, especially after what's he's gone through.

To me, he's been this team's best winger by a significant margin. The only fully capable top6 forward.

Skill and scoring are not a given in this league. He has it, and it should be valued.