Not really much to respond to here. I'll only quote a few of your posts, out of hte 29 that you made that last time, since the rest have either already been covered, or are silly one sentence replies that lack any kind of thought. You've put forth one of the weakest arguments I've seen in a while, and it's pretty obvious for everyone to see, so I wouldn't brag too much. Unfortunatley padding your posts with a lot of nonsense replies, doesn't make it a better argument.
The proof that you are desperate in this argument, is when you continually bring up the Wendal Clark thing, when I said it was a minor part, and taking issue with me saying I'd give Lindros the edge in fighting. These are signs that you are stretching for something to argue about, and since you lack substance, you try and make up for it, by aggresivly talking about a minor topic.
You also lose even more credibility, when in an attempt to build up Lindros, you make statements like they aren't even in physical play, as Forsberg is just a rambunctious little boy. Or when you underestimate the importance of a playmaker. Or when after you tell me to list the intangables that I think make Forsberg better, and I comply, and say it's close, you reply only with, "It's not close."
You say that you have backed up everything with cold facts, and that you haven't lied? I think saying that makes you look pretty stupid, as it's quite obvious to anyone who can read, that you have done the exact opposite, so I wouldn't continually try to say otherwise. In fact, your lying is getting to the point of being either compulsive, or pathalogical, because it's kinda scary the things that you will lie about.
As for the LOD line topic, it's a minor thing, but again you are making a mistake by asking people to view the thread, because if anyone calls your bluff, they will see exactly what I was talking about. Again, not a huge deal that you don't have the objectivity you accused me of lacking, but you keep bringing it up. You are clearly biased in favor of the Flyers, and Lindros, so again, for you to keep stating otherwise is sily. It's not that big of a deal to favor a team, but you keep lying about it, and then you suggest that I'm lying to make it worse. It's just really strange that you would go to those lengths.
You have such a weak argument, that you keep trying to push this .09 PPG advantage, and then say over 1200 games it would translate to 100 pts. Of course the more games you have, the bigger the difference is, but what you fail to understand, is that you can't do that, because it biases the data. You have to look at it with the amount of games you have, and .09 PPG is not an impressive argument for Lindros being the superior player that you suggest, to say the least. You also finish it off by saying that is one of a, "myriad" of statistical data, which is quite funny because I don't recall any others, and if there were, it's not even close to a myriad.
salzy said:
Look up in the sky! It's the point flying directly over your head. I mentioned Hull and Oates merely to illustrate the importance of goal scoring over accumulating assists. Goals are plain and simple, more important. NOBODY COMPARED ANYONE TO HULL OR OATES. Since you like math, here's a little algebra. If A>B and C>D that really tells you absolutely nothing about A or B relative to C or D? I'll give you a little time with that one.
You like using that look up in the sky thing, I've seen you use that before. Ironicly, you used it when you have missed the point. I take it you just read that little math problem, but you obviously didn't take the time to study what it actaully meant, as it doesn't factor into what we are talking about. First of all this isn't a math problem, like 1+1=2, which you are fond of using. That must be the level of math you are at. Second, if that is the way you look at it, then that throws your original silly Hull and Oates example out the window, since you can't compare them. So maybe it is you that should take some time with that one.
Yes, goals are obviously more important, but the fact that you underestimate assists, and playmakers like Oates and Forsberg, is pretty sad. Neither the goal scorer or the playmaker, can function the same without the other, and after all, the goal scorer doesn't do much, until he finds open ice, and fires the puck, since the playmaker is usually the one handling the puck, and using his vision, to find the open guy.
salzy said:
Disagree, since checking are a huge factor and Eric clearly dominates in that regard.
Another example of your uneducated hockey knowledge. Forsberg by most hockey people, is considered the most complete player in the world, mostly due to his defensive awareness, and this is by his defensive play early in his career, because his coaches have tried to take away some of his defensive responsibility the last few years, in hopes of increasing his offense. Many things we have talked about are subjective, although you would never agree, as you KNOW Lindros is better, but this isn't, as Forsberg, is clearly better defensivly, not to say that Lindros isn't responsible in that regard.
salzy said:
It has EVERYTHING TO DO with EXACTLY what you said. You said they could have spent the $15 million on other free agents. That was ANOTHER mistake in your theory. Without the Lindros trade, the $15 million would not have existed in their budget. I don't know how many times I can say that.
How does it have anything to do with what I said? It clearly doesn't, since all I said was that they could do SOMETHING with the money, and I even said they could have used it to cover any loses. Again, saying these things so matter of fact, or in capitals doesn't make anyone believe you. Try reading for a change, you haven't been doing much of it. In fact I wonder if I stopped replying to you, you would just keep going.
salzy said:
Acquiring Lindros was not part of a youth movement.
Why do I keep responding to you. Lets track how this statement came into this. I was talking about the $15 million being able to help with something. Then you came back and said they'd already been trying the youth-movement-build-from-within formula for a number of years, and it wasn't working. Then I pointed out that had nothing to do with what I was talking about, and that I was only talking about the $15 million. Then you said that if they tried to build around Forsberg and Ricci, they were sticking with the youth movement. Then I again pointed out that that had nothing to do with what I was talking about, since I was only talking about the $15 million being able to do something, and that trading away older players, and aquiring Lindros, is not going in another direction than a youth movement, which it clearly isn't. Then you came back and said that Lindros was not part of a youth movement, because they kept two players. This is a perfect example of you not paying attention. You made 4 seperate posts on something I was never talking about, and then when I finally started talking about the youth movement, and simply said getting Lindros was not going in another direction than a youth movement, you came back again with Lindros was not part of a youth movement. I never said it was a youth movement, it's just not going for a veteran lineup. You really ought to start reading, and then thinking, and then replying, because you brought this up four times, when it had nothing to do with what I was originally saying.
salzy said:
I've never said Forsberg hasn't been able to accumulate a load of assists, but my favourite stat? When have I EVERY mentioned APG? Somewhere in the area of never, I think.
As expeted. Try reading the reply again, it says per game stat. I noticed you didn't say anything about the company that he is in. Lindros is much further down the list in GPG, and isn't in nearly the elite company Forsberg is.
salzy said:
Like I said, just as you and I are able to add 1 and 1 and come up with the answer 2, we are able to add up the facts surrounding Roy's trade and conclude that he was going to the Avalanche. Period.
What is 1, and the other 1, and how the hell does it
guarantee that Roy goes to Colorado without Thibault in the deal? Simply saying that he was going no matter what, and then saying end of story, is not a good argument.
salzy said:
LOL - Up in my room? What are you, 11 years old? Glad to hear you have your own room now.
This is one of my favorite posts of yours, that you would suggest that I am so young, because I would bet that you aren't over 15 at the most, and that's stretching it. If not, then you have some serious growing up to do. Quite a silly sentence too, as I said
your room. You don't have a room? Where do you sleep, or maybe I should say, where do your parents keep you?