The Ryan O’Reilly Discussion Quarantine Zone [All ROR Posts Here] (Mod Notes OP)

[Jim Bob]

ROR's play inversely effects goalie save percentage.

How does that explain Lehner and Johnson in 2016-17?

 

[ZZamboni]

Jack Eichel has never been to the playoffs. Fact.

Jeff Skinner has never been to the playoffs. Fact.

Am I doing this right?

So ... both are massive losers too. Am I adding it up correctly?

 

[Der Jaeger]

How does that explain Lehner and Johnson in 2016-17?

Down year for ROR. When he breaks 60 points, his own goalies suffer greatly. He had 55 points that year, so Lehner and Johnson were spared.

 

[sabrebuild]

Heresy!! Burn him at the stake!

Except he is responding to someone who was being reasonable. He is just arguing a narrative in his mind.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Maia G.
Oct 3, 6:52pm
With Jack recently being named captain and Thompson, Berglund, and Sobotka all making the roster, do you think that the ROR trade was the most game changing move of the offseason (minus drafting Dahlin)?


John Vogl
Oct 3, 7:01pm
@Maia G. Hi, Maia. Without a doubt. It was a move that had to be made. Too many people got sucked into ROR's "woe is me" vortex. Hockey is supposed to be fun. The new guys seem to realize that.

That’s not what you said, and most of it is Vogl’s own guesses, which end up being wrong half of the time anyway.

 

[Reddawg]

That’s not what you said, and most of it is Vogl’s own guesses, which end up being wrong half of the time anyway.

Paraphrasing must be an unfamiliar concept to you.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Paraphrasing must be an unfamiliar concept to you.

I’m familiar with exaggeration in an effort to push an agenda.

 

[Reddawg]

I’m familiar with exaggeration in an effort to push an agenda.

If you can't see that "O'Reilly's pit of despair in the locker room was dragging many other team members down with him" and "Too many people got sucked into ROR's "woe is me" vortex." means essentially the exact same thing, there's nothing I can say to help you with that. Nor will I continue to try.

 

[Der Jaeger]

 

[ZZamboni]

If you can't see that "O'Reilly's pit of despair in the locker room was dragging many other team members down with him" and "Too many people got sucked into ROR's "woe is me" vortex." means essentially the exact same thing, there's nothing I can say to help you with that. Nor will I continue to try.

Those quotes sound like opinions to me. :shrug:

Not factual data.

I know people like to choose which “truth” to believe dependent on their particular leanings of a topic. Sports is no different.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

People need to stop knocking back Pegula's kool aid. With ROR, this team had the look of one that could challenge Boston for third in the division. Without him, they're going to struggle to remain in a wild card spot. I know they're 5-4, but they've been outplayed in maybe six of those games and were completely blown out in four of them. At least Housley will likely be gone this time around and not one of our best players if the season takes a turn for the worse.

With ROR we couldnt get out of the misery of the NHL bracket for several years. Not sure who is drinking any kool aid here.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

But he isn’t slowing down STL nor having a negative impact on the ice for them.

Hes literally a slow player that slows team pace overall down. Today speed kills, ROR doesnt kill shit.

 

[Husko]

Why can't we simultaneously acknowledge that ROR is a good player that can do good things but also that it wasn't working out here and perhaps the return we got made our team better for it?

 

[Dirty Dog]

2 wins in 8 games I'd say that's a negative impact

This is an infuriating train of thought.

It’s best to ignore it

 

[struckbyaparkedcar]

Why can't we simultaneously acknowledge that ROR is a good player that can do good things but also that it wasn't working out here and perhaps the return we got made our team better for it?

Because all the depth we got back has been scratched, while the reasons the team has been better were either already on the roster or acquired in separate deals.

 

[sabremike]

Why can't we simultaneously acknowledge that ROR is a good player that can do good things but also that it wasn't working out here and perhaps the return we got made our team better for it?

Because barring a miracle with the pick we got no sane person would argue Sobotka, Berglund and Thompson (3 of the worst players on the Blues roster) are going to make us better than keeping ROR.

 

[Jim Bob]

Hes literally a slow player that slows team pace overall down. Today speed kills, ROR doesnt kill ****.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/sabres-oreilly-scores-30-seconds-game-senators/

Reinhart and O'Reilly were so slow on that goal.

 

[pigpen65]

So many different opinions. I think the one thing we can all agree on is that the team is way better, way way way more entertaining to watch, and it's a situation where Botts has killed it.

 

[HaNotsri]

Imagine if we could trade the three worst forwards on our roster+pick for a 1C.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

So many different opinions. I think the one thing we can all agree on is that the team is way better, way way way more entertaining to watch, and it's a situation where Botts has killed it.

He made the team way worse, then lucked into a generational prospect. The only thing he deserves credit for so far is replacing Lehner, which any competent GM would’ve done.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

If you can't see that "O'Reilly's pit of despair in the locker room was dragging many other team members down with him" and "Too many people got sucked into ROR's "woe is me" vortex." means essentially the exact same thing, there's nothing I can say to help you with that. Nor will I continue to try.

It is different. You were also stating Vogl’s opinion as fact. Not one other person has verified this, and we have a long, long history of Buffalo media creating drama so that they have something to write about.

The trade was dumb, I don’t see how anyone could possible defend it. If the team is so fragile that ROR could make them lose by sulking, then they are not mentally strong enough to be successful in the NHL.

Plus, the players we got in return are all garbage so far. The trade remains indefensible.

 

[Rasmus CacOlainen]

Imagine if we could trade the three worst forwards on our roster+pick for a 1C.

Tage Thlson is 20 years old. O'Reilly is not a 1C on a serious team. The pick is a 1st (looking like a high first at this point).

You are trying to put on spin on it to twist reality...

 

[Gabrielor]

Tage Thlson is 20 years old. O'Reilly is not a 1C on a serious team. The pick is a 1st (looking like a high first at this point).

You are trying to put on spin on it to twist reality...

Oh, like exactly what you’re doing by inferring that the Blues’ problems come from OReilly?

Don’t criticize “spinning reality”, while you’re doing just that.

 

[TheMistyStranger]

Tage Thlson is 20 years old. O'Reilly is not a 1C on a serious team. The pick is a 1st (looking like a high first at this point).

You are trying to put on spin on it to twist reality...

I could see that 1st ending up between 16 and 22. Thompson will eventually grow into his giraffish body and he already has shown a surprising amount of skill as a big man. Projecting him on one line with Olofsson on a different line next season sounds incredible. Attack in waves and have some excellent shooters on the wing. It's a temporary setback move to try to build something different in the future.

 

[Bobby Bottle Service]

As a paper exercise, I think a line of Nylander-ROR-Goalofsson would be more exciting than Thompson-Berglund-Sobotka.

However, none of us know what ROR said behind closed doors. He may well have asked for the trade privately and Botts got good value for him.

There could have been a locker-room divide if ROR was on the roster and Jack became captain. At least early on, ROR was acting as the defacto captain... he was even leading the extra-curricular ROR practices. There were rumours that ROR wasn't happy with Landeskog was given the C...