The Prospects Thread XXIII - Stats, Lists in OP

[Dissonance]

Re: discussion on the previous thread on what our prospect rankings look like now, I'd have it something like this, assuming Vey and Horvat are graduated :

1. Virtanen
2. McCann - has closed draft gap to Virtanen
3. Demko
4. Kenins - huge riser, obviously. Terrific player.
5. Clendening
6. Baertschi
7. Corrado
8. Gaunce - doing well.
9. Cassels
10. Pedan - good to see encouraging reports.
11. Shinkaruk - needs a major turnaround.
12. Jensen - pretty much toast at this point.
13. Subban
14. Hutton
15. Tryamkin
16. McEneny
17. Zalewski - having nice rebound after terrible start.
18. Friesen
19. McNally - all kinds of talent, but will hit 25 having played only 70 high-level games. Waste.
20. Fox - huge disappointment
21. Pettit
22. Cederholm
23. Grenier
24. Andersson
25. Liberati - doing well, but still probably not worth a contract.

I'd be curious to know what you make of Virtanen's WHL season this year. From the little I've seen he's clearly got incredible tools and is very often noticeable on the ice, but his numbers are only so-so and he doesn't seem to be the engine of that Calgary offense in a way I would've hoped from such a high pick. Hard to get a sense of what kind of player he'll be.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

Clendening and Corrado are both 2011 draftees. Clendening has outperformed Corrado in the AHL and I've liked his NHL play better as well.



Regardless of where they were picked, Fox coming into the season was probably thought of as a bit worse prospect than Cassels now and a bit better prospect than Subban. Going to the ECHL and scoring at a 40-point pace there has been disappointing.

If Subban goes to the ECHL, I'd expect him to be an elite player there. I think he'll be in the AHL, though. He plays the game with a tempo and compete level that I think will transition well to pro, better than our other defensive prospects.

Yeah.

He's also the really the closest thing they have to a true puck-moving D in the pipeline right now.

I expect he'll be in the AHL next year as well, but I also wouldn't be too surprised if he saw time in the ECHL, considering the number of D prospects potentially becoming AHL eligible, as well as the returning vets (unknown, at this point).

Considering the circumstances, I also don't think it would be as bad for Subban to see some time there as it would for other prospects, provided he excels and proves he's too good for that league.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

With the NCAA regular season winding down to the Conference Tournaments and about 8 games left in the CHL regular season, let's look at prospect stats:

Forwards
McCann GP 52 G 32 A 43 P 75 PIM 25 +24
Cassels GP 48 G 26 A 47 P 73 PIM 94 +31
Virtanen GP 43 G 20 A 29 P 49 PIM 70 +17
Fox GP 52 G 21 A 11 P 32 PIM 73 -5 (ECHL)
Blomstrand GP 38 G 21 A 10 P 31 PIM 18 -6 (ECHL)
Grenier GP 48 G 11 A 18 P 29 PIM 53 +4 (AHL)
Pettit GP 56 G 16 A 11 P 27 PIM 8 -5
Gaunce GP 56 G 9 A 14 P 23 PIM 19 +1 (AHL)
Jensen GP 43 G 11 A 11 P 22 PIM 27 -13 (AHL)
Shinkaruk GP 56 G 7 A 11 P 18 PIM 24 -7 (AHL)
Friesen GP 41 G 6 A 11 P 17 PIM 47 +10 (AHL)
Labate GP 30 G 6 A 10 P 16 PIM 42 -16
Zalewski GP 36 G 3 A 6 P 9 PIM 10 -7 (AHL)
Beattie GP 16 G 0 A 3 P 3 PIM 4 +5

Defencemen
Subban GP 57 G 24 A 23 P 47 PIM 60 -5
McEneny GP 59 G 6 A 33 P 39 PIM 65 -4
Liberati GP 59 G 11 A 24 P 35 PIM 41 +18
Hutton GP 36 G 8 A 11 P 19 PIM 14 -14
McNally GP 15 G 4 A 12 P 16 PIM 6 +14
Pedan GP 43 G 3 A 13 P 16 PIM 112 +6
Cederholm GP 59 G 6 A 9 P 15 PIM 70 +15
Biega GP 43 G 3 A 12 P 15 PIM 18 -3 (AHL)
Stewart GP 57 G 4 A 6 P 10 PIM 101 -5
Corrado GP 21 G 4 A 4 P 8 PIM 17 +3 (AHL)
Andersson GP 42 G 2 A 4 P 6 PIM 18 +9 (AHL)
Tryamkin GP 58 G 1 A 5 P 6 PIM 37 +3 (KHL)
Williamson GP 12 G 1 A 1 P 2 PIM 8 even

Goalies
Markstrom W 17 L 7 OTL 2 GAA 1.95 SV% 0.932 SO 4 (AHL)
Cannata W 10 L 6 OTL 2 GAA 2.13 SV% 0.917 SO 1 (ECHL)
Demko W 18 L 10 T 3 GAA 2.18 SV% 0.926 SO 1
Eriksson W 16 L 9 OTL 4 GAA 2.68 SV% 0.904 SO 0 (AHL)

Notes:
- Subban has the 3rd most goals of any prospect, forward or defence
- Wow, Shinkaruk and Jensen have disappointing stats
- Why doesn't Blomstrand get a chance in the AHL? Not even training camp?
- Labate probably not signed?
- Will Grenier, Friesen, Biega, and Sanguinetti be retained?
- Next season will any or all of Subban, Hutton, McNally, McEneny, and Cederholm be in the AHL/ECHL?

S_C

 

[MS]

I'd be curious to know what you make of Virtanen's WHL season this year. From the little I've seen he's clearly got incredible tools and is very often noticeable on the ice, but his numbers are only so-so and he doesn't seem to be the engine of that Calgary offense in a way I would've hoped from such a high pick. Hard to get a sense of what kind of player he'll be.

Like you say, it's weird.

The eye test is just ridiculous at times (his skating/size/shot combination is unreal) but the results aren't really there.

Part of it might be the injury and no training camp, and another part might be the team's depth and some limited PP time ... but you definitely feel he should be having more effect. The stretch recently where he had 1 point in 7 games should not be happening at this level to such a high pick.

His positional sense and hockey IQ seem very average, but his physical tools are incredible. I think he'll be a guy who scores 25-30 goals in the NHL, but I suspect he might be very frustrating while doing it.

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

Like you say, it's weird.

The eye test is just ridiculous at times (his skating/size/shot combination is unreal) but the results aren't really there.

Part of it might be the injury and no training camp, and another part might be the team's depth and some limited PP time ... but you definitely feel he should be having more effect. The stretch recently where he had 1 point in 7 games should not be happening at this level to such a high pick.

His positional sense and hockey IQ seem very average, but his physical tools are incredible. I think he'll be a guy who scores 25-30 goals in the NHL, but I suspect he might be very frustrating while doing it.

He actually reminds me of Grabner in that sense. Of course, the added bonus with Virtanen is that he has the ability to absolutely crush people, and seems to relish in the physical game.

 

[m9]

Re: discussion on the previous thread on what our prospect rankings look like now, I'd have it something like this, assuming Vey and Horvat are graduated :

1. Virtanen
2. McCann - has closed draft gap to Virtanen
3. Demko
4. Kenins - huge riser, obviously. Terrific player.
5. Clendening
6. Baertschi
7. Corrado
8. Gaunce - doing well.
9. Cassels
10. Pedan - good to see encouraging reports.
11. Shinkaruk - needs a major turnaround.
12. Jensen - pretty much toast at this point.
13. Subban
14. Hutton
15. Tryamkin
16. McEneny
17. Zalewski - having nice rebound after terrible start.
18. Friesen
19. McNally - all kinds of talent, but will hit 25 having played only 70 high-level games. Waste.
20. Fox - huge disappointment
21. Pettit
22. Cederholm
23. Grenier
24. Andersson
25. Liberati - doing well, but still probably not worth a contract.

I really like your list. I would have Pedan over Cassels and Gaunce, but that's just personal preference.

 

[Ernie]

Fox is a weird one. You wouldn't expect numbers to fall off that much from CHL to ECHL.

 

[racerjoe]

Bit of a bizarre list IMO...

Very odd, how is a guy like Pastrnak not on it? Are all NHL guys not included? Even still seems all over the place.

 

[Icebreakers]

Fox is a weird one. You wouldn't expect numbers to fall off that much from CHL to ECHL.

The ECHL is a much harder league than the CHL though. No one puts up more numbers in the ECHL than the CHL.

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Re: discussion on the previous thread on what our prospect rankings look like now, I'd have it something like this, assuming Vey and Horvat are graduated :

1. Virtanen
2. McCann - has closed draft gap to Virtanen
3. Demko
4. Kenins - huge riser, obviously. Terrific player.
5. Clendening
6. Baertschi
7. Corrado
8. Gaunce - doing well.
9. Cassels
10. Pedan - good to see encouraging reports.
11. Shinkaruk - needs a major turnaround.
12. Jensen - pretty much toast at this point.
13. Subban
14. Hutton
15. Tryamkin
16. McEneny
17. Zalewski - having nice rebound after terrible start.
18. Friesen
19. McNally - all kinds of talent, but will hit 25 having played only 70 high-level games. Waste.
20. Fox - huge disappointment
21. Pettit
22. Cederholm
23. Grenier
24. Andersson
25. Liberati - doing well, but still probably not worth a contract.

I'd drop Jensen a few more spots. I don't see what separates him from Grenier at this juncture. I actually see more potential in Fox than those two, and I'm not too impressed with him either. At least he's younger.

I'd probably also raise Cederholm up somewhere in the middle of the Hutton, Tryamkin, McEneny, McNally territory. I think he has a good chance to turn into a borderline NHL'er, whereas many of these other guys are boom or bust type players.

 

[Dissonance]

Like you say, it's weird.

The eye test is just ridiculous at times (his skating/size/shot combination is unreal) but the results aren't really there.

Part of it might be the injury and no training camp, and another part might be the team's depth and some limited PP time ... but you definitely feel he should be having more effect. The stretch recently where he had 1 point in 7 games should not be happening at this level to such a high pick.

His positional sense and hockey IQ seem very average, but his physical tools are incredible. I think he'll be a guy who scores 25-30 goals in the NHL, but I suspect he might be very frustrating while doing it.

He actually reminds me of Grabner in that sense. Of course, the added bonus with Virtanen is that he has the ability to absolutely crush people, and seems to relish in the physical game.

Yeah, I guess one positive thing about Virtanen is that with his size and skating, it's a pretty good bet he'll play in the NHL no matter how the rest of his game pans out. Even without high-end offense, he could still be a useful Raffi Torres-like energy player. It's just that getting a slightly better Raffi Torres would be a disappointing result for a #6 pick. Hopefully he turns into something more.

 

[WTG]

Man.... I went and looked at a list of top prospects in 2011. Pretty depressing.

Canucks

1.) Cody Hodgson, C
2.) Chris Tanev, D
3.) Eddie Lack, G
4.) Anton Rodin, W
5.) Nicklas Jensen, W
6.) Jordan Schroeder, C
7.) Yann Sauve, D
8.) Billy Sweatt, W
9.) Kevin Connauton, D
10.) David Honzik, G

HM- Sebastian Erixon, D

Compare that to

1)Horvat
2)Virtanen
3)McCann
4)Baertschi
5)Demko
6)Corrado
7)Clendening
8)Gaunce
9)Shinkaruk
10)Pedan
11)Tryamkin
12)Hutton
13) Jensen
14) Cassels
15) Subban

HM: Fox
Left Vey and Kenins. Vey because he is basically waiver eligible and Kenins because he's 24.

 

[Verviticus]

Clendening and Corrado are both 2011 draftees. Clendening has outperformed Corrado in the AHL and I've liked his NHL play better as well.

really. that's a bit surprising to me. i haven't liked how clendening looks at all at the nhl level

which is odd, because other than his skating, he's basically an embodiment of my favourite style of defenceman

 

[Verviticus]

It looks like blomstrand is doing quite well. Strange that he couldn't display any of this at the ahl level

well they are very different leagues

 

[Canucksrock]

really. that's a bit surprising to me. i haven't liked how clendening looks at all at the nhl level

which is odd, because other than his skating, he's basically an embodiment of my favourite style of defenceman

I don't mind Clendening, but his board play is atrocious. I have not seen him win a one on one battle. If it is shot in on his side he goes back slow makes it a battle and then loses it. Luckily he gets it out usually on the first pass he does get. He just doesn't take a hit to make a play, like Tanev does IMO.

 

[Lindgren]

I don't see Jordan Subban's name in the Belleville line-up tonight.

 

[WTG]

EDIT: WOAH way too big one sec



McCann goal

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

With the NCAA regular season winding down to the Conference Tournaments and about 8 games left in the CHL regular season, let's look at prospect stats:

Forwards
McCann GP 52 G 32 A 43 P 75 PIM 25 +24 1.5PPG is all we could have asked for
Cassels GP 48 G 26 A 47 P 73 PIM 94 +31 Same as McCann
Virtanen GP 43 G 20 A 29 P 49 PIM 70 +17 Disappointing statswise, but he passes the eye test.
Fox GP 52 G 21 A 11 P 32 PIM 73 -5 (ECHL) Atrocious skating ruins him as a prospect.
Blomstrand GP 38 G 21 A 10 P 31 PIM 18 -6 (ECHL) Hopefully he does the same in the AHL next year
Grenier GP 48 G 11 A 18 P 29 PIM 53 +4 (AHL)
Pettit GP 56 G 16 A 11 P 27 PIM 8 -5 20 goal pace? Better than expected
Gaunce GP 56 G 9 A 14 P 23 PIM 19 +1 (AHL) Just under the 0.5 PPG I hoped he would put up. On pace as a prospect.
Jensen GP 43 G 11 A 11 P 22 PIM 27 -13 (AHL) The bust card is very, very close to coming out
Shinkaruk GP 56 G 7 A 11 P 18 PIM 24 -7 (AHL) Just not a good season. Lack of finish is very concerning, injury and all.
Friesen GP 41 G 6 A 11 P 17 PIM 47 +10 (AHL) Seems to have stalled.
Labate GP 30 G 6 A 10 P 16 PIM 42 -16 Finally got his top line opportunity... and failed.
Zalewski GP 36 G 3 A 6 P 9 PIM 10 -7 (AHL) Lack of production concerning. Expected more.
Beattie GP 16 G 0 A 3 P 3 PIM 4 +5 Can't even dress for games.

Defencemen
Subban GP 57 G 24 A 23 P 47 PIM 60 -5 Very good season.
McEneny GP 59 G 6 A 33 P 39 PIM 65 -4 Solid season. Right on par with where he would be expected to be.
Liberati GP 59 G 11 A 24 P 35 PIM 41 +18 Riser for sure. But is it enough?
Hutton GP 36 G 8 A 11 P 19 PIM 14 -14 Disappointing season. Hopefully he's in Utica this month.
McNally GP 15 G 4 A 12 P 16 PIM 6 +14 Great stats, still a **** prospect due to his choices.
Cederholm GP 59 G 6 A 9 P 15 PIM 70 +15 Lack of points indicates lack of puck skills.
Biega GP 43 G 3 A 12 P 15 PIM 18 -3 (AHL) Looked good in the NHL.
Stewart GP 57 G 4 A 6 P 10 PIM 101 -5
Corrado GP 21 G 4 A 4 P 8 PIM 17 +3 (AHL) Injury de-railed him, but was basically doing what was expected.
Andersson GP 42 G 2 A 4 P 6 PIM 18 +9 (AHL) Game over man.
Tryamkin GP 58 G 1 A 5 P 6 PIM 37 +3 (KHL) No clue, did not like how he looked in the clips posted.
Williamson GP 12 G 1 A 1 P 2 PIM 8 even Beattie Part 2

Goalies
Markstrom W 17 L 7 OTL 2 GAA 1.95 SV% 0.932 SO 4 (AHL) Dat NHL debut.
Cannata W 10 L 6 OTL 2 GAA 2.13 SV% 0.917 SO 1 (ECHL)
Demko W 18 L 10 T 3 GAA 2.18 SV% 0.926 SO 1 Loved him at the WJHC. On a great trajectory.
Eriksson W 16 L 9 OTL 4 GAA 2.68 SV% 0.904 SO 0 (AHL) Regressed

S_C

Looking at how everyone's done from an expectation point of view.

Green = Exceeded
No colour = Met Expectations
Red = Did not meet expectations

Bolded words are my brief thoughts.

 

[Verviticus]

is huttons team done after march?

 

[Spectrefire]

I'd be curious to know what you make of Virtanen's WHL season this year. From the little I've seen he's clearly got incredible tools and is very often noticeable on the ice, but his numbers are only so-so and he doesn't seem to be the engine of that Calgary offense in a way I would've hoped from such a high pick. Hard to get a sense of what kind of player he'll be.

From what I heard about Virtanen, he's not being used in a key position for some reason. He plays on the 2nd line and 2nd PP unit, which is why his production isn't as high as it could be.

 

[NuxFan09]

is huttons team done after march?

Forgot to mention this on the weekend. Yes, Hutton and the entire Hockey East conference is done regular season play. Maine faces Vermont in Hockey East first round action starting tomorrow @ Vermont.

The ECAC also begins their playoffs tomorrow. That includes McNally (Harvard) if he's playing. Thatcher Demko's (Boston College) and Matt Beattie's (Yale) teams will automatically advance to the Quarterfinals in their respective conferences next weekend, March 13-15.

Labate (Wisconsin) and Williamson (Penn State) are still in the regular season

 

[StrictlyCommercial]

Forgot to mention this on the weekend. Yes, Hutton and the entire Hockey East conference is done regular season play. Maine faces Vermont in Hockey East first round action starting tomorrow @ Vermont.

The ECAC also begins their playoffs tomorrow. That includes McNally (Harvard) if he's playing. Thatcher Demko's (Boston College) and Matt Beattie's (Yale) teams will automatically advance to the Quarterfinals in their respective conferences next weekend, March 13-15.

Labate (Wisconsin) and Williamson (Penn State) are still in the regular season

To add, Hutton's team was 10th in their conference. Barring an amazing run, he should be done soon.

 

[pahlsson]

EDIT: WOAH way too big one sec



McCann goal

nice, thx for the gif

 

[Luck 6]

I need someone to put together a compelling argument as to why Jensen is a write off. The guy scores goals at every pro level he's played at, he hasn't been given a legit NHL shot yet. He's 21 and to me he seems like a classic case of a player who plays better when he is surrounded by better players. He's a sniper, for that type of player that is fairly common.

So why is he a write off? I still see him as a prospect who has a high chance of carving out an NHL career based on his size and elite shot alone.

 

[Stonz]

I need someone to put together a compelling argument as to why Jensen is a write off. The guy scores goals at every pro level he's played at, he hasn't been given a legit NHL shot yet. He's 21 and to me he seems like a classic case of a player who plays better when he is surrounded by better players. He's a sniper, for that type of player that is fairly common.

So why is he a write off? I still see him as a prospect who has a high chance of carving out an NHL career based on his size and elite shot alone.

Sure, he has scored some goals in the AHL, in the literal sense. But if you mean that he's shown goal-scoring prowess, I disagree. 32 goals in 123 AHL games isn't a particularly impressive feat, and certainly doesn't scream sniper with an elite shot.