Just out of curiosity, what was their goal totals for those years? Can we force a positive out of it?
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Just out of curiosity, what was their goal totals for those years? Can we force a positive out of it?
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Ryp37
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Nothing wrong with that when its a 6-7th round pick
Just be glad he's not taking Gauthiers in the first
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Ignoring my complete indifference for Pettit and Stewart (especially him, I follow the OHL more), these two are still wasted picks.
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Always demand more, not less.
Taking useless plugs like this in the 6th and 7th round is poor planning and scouting.
Taking someone like Gauthier in the first is complete incompetence.
One is bad, the other is terribad.
Let's have neither.
WinterEmpire
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If you go out with the mindset of developing a 4th liner, you will fail. You should develop the best players you can and then given the depth of your team some of them should be forced to the 4th line.
Horvat and Hansen aren't traditional 4th liners and yet this is the best bottom 6 we've had in, dare I say, decades.
Horvat and Hansen aren't traditional 4th liners and yet this is the best bottom 6 we've had in, dare I say, decades.
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OHL
Oshawa 6 Peterborough 0
Cassels serving suspension game 3
Sault Ste. Marie 8 Windsor 5
McCann 1 assist, even
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OHL
Oshawa 6 Peterborough 0
Cassels serving suspension game 3
Sault Ste. Marie 8 Windsor 5
McCann 1 assist, even
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most picks past the 3rd round aren't making the NHL anyway. I think Stewart has late bloomers qualities. Started playing at a late age, kid is a beast, loves to fight. Nothing wrong with a big tough d-man. Does he make the NHL? Probably not but I don't think it's a wasted pick.
Pettit, huge checking forward. The Canucks have taken a few of these guys in the past with out much luck yet. Will he make the NHL? probably not. But he's a big forward playing on a very good team, a team that might make the memorial cup. He could develop a lot over the next year. Don't think it's a wasted pick either.
Loved the 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks anyway so I have no issues with Bennings drafting.
vanuck
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Everything is wrong with that.
a) 4th liners have little value so there's really no point investing picks on someone whose longshot upside is to be a replaceable asset you can easily get for free.
b) low-skill, low-production junior players don't make the NHL. When you look at who makes the NHL from the 5th-7th rounds, it's pretty much exclusively guys who showed talent and production but were passed over because of size or skating, or because they played in a poorly scouted league.
As for Stewart and Pettit specifically, they suck. No-hopers.
Pettit is basically a redux of former Canuck prospect Stefan Schneider. A big guy with solid defensive fundamentals but clunky skating and no clue offensively.
Exactly.
Look at the gripes with the selection of Brendan Gaunce, who's basically a PPG OHLer for 3 straight years and his upside is 2/3 tweeener. You absolutely have to exude some semblance of talent at lower levels to even sniff the show. I doubt these guys become more than ECHL-AHL yo-yo's. Wouldn't be surprised if both pursue CIS hockey as I don't see pro hockey in their futures.
I dunno. I dont really mind if we only end up with a couple of big bodies running around at training camp (and in the mix for our minor league teams).
If they use the same approach every single year, different story, but Im ok with a bit of variety.
If they use the same approach every single year, different story, but Im ok with a bit of variety.
Plus Stewart's clearly a character guy. Could be an extremely positive influence on the rest of the prospects over the next couple of years.
I'm a character guy. I don't see how I could make Jared McCann better at hockey.
I mean sure, it's a late pick and it's easy to just outright dismiss it and not care about it, but.....drafting kids is about taking the guys with the best chance to improve your NHL roster in the future, not to have a character guy the kids can play with in the penticton touney.
Look at a guy like Adam Polasek, this guy is a character, showed progression, and 4 years after being drafted is out of the organization and never once had a sniff at the NHL even though IMO he certainly showed progression from year 1 to year 2 in the AHL.
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there r really no point in discussing Stewart/Petit in this board.... 99.9% of em already set their mind that they r busts but it's those who doesnt give him a chance without ever seeing him a game drives me nuts
so i'd recommend just ignore everything about them at this point and just check my highlights in my youtube channel for your eyes on him (channel is same name...im like the only one who gives a damn)
One thing i'd like to mention whats good about Stewart..(ive seen almost every game )
his biggest assets r his effortless skating. he can cover a lot of areas. his back skating is also good. can catch a lot of fast guys back paddling. obv this is still work in progress
uses his size very well along the boards..can really punish small players and knock them out
can fight check highlights
he's good on one on one. he uses his long stick to really disturb their move
though he can carry the puck to the neutral line okay, puck handling skill is poor
he tends to lose balance quite often when he bumps into another big player or make a hit (seen on his one leg quite often)
offensively limited
He was put in a 3rd line forward spot for ~15 games
did not looked out of pace for the most part and now back to the D and impressed me each game...
please do so...the entire canucks hfboard depend on it!
#nopressure
so i'd recommend just ignore everything about them at this point and just check my highlights in my youtube channel for your eyes on him (channel is same name...im like the only one who gives a damn)
One thing i'd like to mention whats good about Stewart..(ive seen almost every game )
his biggest assets r his effortless skating. he can cover a lot of areas. his back skating is also good. can catch a lot of fast guys back paddling. obv this is still work in progress
uses his size very well along the boards..can really punish small players and knock them out
can fight check highlights
he's good on one on one. he uses his long stick to really disturb their move
though he can carry the puck to the neutral line okay, puck handling skill is poor
he tends to lose balance quite often when he bumps into another big player or make a hit (seen on his one leg quite often)
offensively limited
He was put in a 3rd line forward spot for ~15 games
did not looked out of pace for the most part and now back to the D and impressed me each game...
please do so...the entire canucks hfboard depend on it!
#nopressure
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Polasek is a weird one, though. He always seemed to play pretty well in the AHL (+16 in 70 AHL games) and seemed to have some tools but was never given much of a chance at all. Now that he's back in the Czech Republic, he's #2 in defender scoring in the Extraleague and an impact player there. Still only 23 and I wouldn't be shocked if somebody gives him another chance in NA.
In any case, yeah, draft guys with talent. They'll be the ones that play. The contrast is so stark it's unbelievable. Low production grinders taken in rounds 5-7 have about a 1% success rate while high producing guys who dropped due to size/skating are over 15%.
What is the point of developing 4th liners when players like Kyle Chipchura are on waivers *today*
4th line talent is abundant and low-value. If you need it you can get it, easily.
4th line talent is abundant and low-value. If you need it you can get it, easily.
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Weird what happened to Polasek - we terminated his contract so he could presumably go home and get more ice time rather than being stuck in the ECHL but everything I remember hearing about him back then was that he should never have been sent down in the first place. He was probably a better choice to keep around than someone like Sauve because he at least had some instincts for the game. I'd much rather have him in the system than someone like Negrin right now. Guy's doing phenomenal in the Czech league.
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