Prospect Info: The Prospect Thread (Part XXXIV)

[Knight53]

I don't really care about Asplund and Grundstrom.

I simply disagree with you're opinion.

You could prove to be right about his game translating to NA seamlessly—only time will tell—but the WJC is a small sample, and I put little stock in it.

Either way, my preference would be that he's playing in NA as soon as possible—i believe it's better for both him and the organization.

Feel free to think otherwise.

It's frustrating management wasn't able to convince him to stay as other organizations have.

Then why mention this if you don't care about similar prospects in other organizations?

So what if he doesn't translate seamlessly? He can continue developing in Utica then. SHL - AHL - NHL.

 

[Pip]

Generally, I would prefer our prospects to play in the AHL if they are eligible. It gives us more control over their development and they can potentially earn callups to the big club if they excel. Plus, many teams run similar systems at the NHL and AHL level so it gets that prospect familiar with the system and the organization.

 

[Soups On]

On a non-Canuck prospect related note, what the hell Tolvanen? He's PPG in the KHL... He was drafted 30th by Nashville for those who are unaware.

 

[Red]

On a non-Canuck prospect related note, what the hell Tolvanen? He's PPG in the KHL... He was drafted 30th by Nashville for those who are unaware.

I believe there were "attitude concerns" before the draft. He had been committed to the NCAA but then didn't get the grades needed so couldn't attend. Then apparently interviewed poorly.

I definitely think scouts care too much on "attitude". These are 18 year olds so who cares if they have a bit of an ego or can't interview. As long as someone is not an absolute asshole doing significantly illegal things or is just lazy period, I don't see the big deal. Talent wins out every time.

 

[Red]

On another note, Mackenzie Stewart with 2A in the ECHL today.

Moynihan not signed by us but has 5 points in 3 games, wonder if he gets a chance with Utica at some point this year.

 

[Bad Goalie]

On another note, Mackenzie Stewart with 2A in the ECHL today.

Moynihan not signed by us but has 5 points in 3 games, wonder if he gets a chance with Utica at some point this year.

I don't have any objections to Moynihan getting onto the Comets roster for a shot. He is on an AHL contract with the Comets and their center depth is for the *****. However, I don't place much stock in big numbers in the ECHL translating to anything special. The Comets have signed some of the best offensive players in the entire ECHL to PTOs over the past couple of seasons and they have put up almost 0 points altogether. That included the ECHL playoff MVP, the top scorers of some teams, and league all stars.

I expect to see more centers trotted through here until they find something that's better than Darcy, Woods, and Cassels. If Goldobin and Boucher are called up or injured, look for the Comets to be as bad as they were in 2015-16.The goal scoring prowess after those two falls off the cliff. Archi becomes the best they have with Megna, Chaput, LaBate, and Bancks following up. None of them will put up the numbers of Goldy and Bouch. After the 5 second-to-third level scorers there are a plethora of failed efforts. Hamilton, Woods, Darcy, Cassels, Laplante, Carcone, D'Aoust, and Molino will struggle mightily to put any significant numbers if they aren't on the ice with the BIG 2. This whole crew will be hard pressed to put up 2-3 goals/game. 2.? GPG won't win many games in this league without a lights out, full team defensive effort night after night. Right now the numbers say they are doing just that. How misleading #s can be. It's not the strength of team D. It's been the strength of one goalie and a league leading PP spearheaded by Boucher and Goldobin. Demko can't be expected to carry a team for 76 games and we are talking about what happens to the Comets without those two prolific scorers.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

Then why mention this if you don't care about similar prospects in other organizations?

So what if he doesn't translate seamlessly? He can continue developing in Utica then. SHL - AHL - NHL.

I don't care about those particular prospects because I'm referring to Dahlen—it's not a general AHL vs. Europe argument.

I believe Dahlen would benefit from playing in NA and I wish the Canucks were able to convince him to stay as other organizations have their prospects.

Again, you're welcome to disagree. I don't care.

 

[Knight53]

I don't care about those particular prospects because I'm referring to Dahlen—it's not a general AHL vs. Europe argument.

I believe Dahlen would benefit from playing in NA and I wish the Canucks were able to convince him to stay as other organizations have their prospects.

Again, you're welcome to disagree. I don't care.

I also believe he can benefit from playing in NA but he can also benefit playing in the SHL no? Both have there pros and cons. As long as he's playing in a top tier league that is superior to his prior league, the Allsvenskan, in competition. As long as he continues his upward trajectory in development and ends up as a top 6 winger for the Canucks it doesn't matter if he develops in the SHL or AHL for his 19/20 year old season. Having a personal preference of him playing in Utica is fine, but him playing in the SHL like dozens of other comparable players who are developing fine over there is hardly something to get frustrated over and acting like it'll be some sort of hindrance to his development.

 

[Southern_Canuck]

Wed Oct 25

Europe

Bjorkloven 0 Timra 3
Dahlen 1 goal (3rd), 2 assists

ECHL

Kansas City 4 Kalamazoo 3
Cederholm 0 points, even
Moynihan 2 goals (1st, 2nd), +2
Irving 0 points, -1
Stewart 2 assists, +2 (fought Troy Donnay)
Garteig was back-up

S_C

 

[icing]

Elias Pettersson 2+1 so far in tonights game against Frolunda. 20 minutes left.
12 p in 12 games. Should break in to the league top 10 in points when the night is over.

 

[NuxFan09]

Elias Pettersson 2+1 so far in tonights game against Frolunda. 20 minutes left.
12 p in 12 games. Should break in to the league top 10 in points when the night is over.

Just scored again for the hat trick. 4 point night!

 

[krutovsdonut]

the good news is dahlen is clearly bouncing off the ceiling in timra. time for him to play somewhere else.

the recent shenanigans seems like it might involve helicopter parents with hockey contacts. i doubt dahlen himself or his agent reached out to switzerland. anyway, he's apparently not suffering from mono anymore so there is not a lot of excuse not to go back to the ahl as per the original plan by january at the latest. if that doesn't happen i think it is fair to assume the dahlen camp is driving the bus, but i am not unduly concerned if that is the case.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Just scored again for the hat trick. 4 point night!

that is pretty amazing.

 

[NuxFan09]

that is pretty amazing.

Make that a 5 point night. He just added a primary assist on Vaxjo's 6th goal.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Make that a 5 point night. He just added a primary assist on Vaxjo's 6th goal.

it's a great start to the year for canucks prospects.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Corey Pronman on twitter.
'3 goals 5 points for Elias. One of best SHL games I've ever seen from a teenager.'

 

[icing]

Pettersson 5th in the league now with 14 p (5+9) in 12 games.

 

[VanJack]

Just wow!.......I can remember the days when we were following 'prospects' like Jordan Schroeder, Taylor Ellington and Yann Sauve...what happened to the Canuck prospect pool?.....all of sudden we have teenagers leading their teams in scoring in Europe; one of the best goalies in the OHL; leading scorers in the NCAA; and a couple of forwards like Lind and Gadjovich who're serious candidates for the WJC....and that's not even counting the guys in Utica like Demko, Goldobin, Chatfield and Brisebois......this may be the 'golden era' of Canuck prospects.

 

[vancityluongo]

Just wow!.......I can remember the days when we were following 'prospects' like Jordan Schroeder, Taylor Ellington and Yann Sauve...what happened to the Canuck prospect pool?.....all of sudden we have teenagers leading their teams in scoring in Europe; one of the best goalies in the OHL; leading scorers in the NCAA; and a couple of forwards like Lind and Gadjovich who're serious candidates for the WJC....and that's not even counting the guys in Utica like Demko, Goldobin, Chatfield and Brisebois......this may be the 'golden era' of Canuck prospects.

uh we picked in the top-6 in three of four drafts and kept at least a few of the corresponding picks at the top of each round. that was bound to be a factor.

also lol at touting "serious candidates" for the WJC while bashing the all-time leading American WJC scorer

http://www.quanthockey.com/wjc-u20/en/records/wjc-u20-players-all-time-points-leaders.html

 

[krutovsdonut]

uh we picked in the top-6 in three of four drafts and kept at least a few of the corresponding picks at the top of each round. that was bound to be a factor.

what exactly does that mean? that he should not be happy it's happening? that it's not unusual for the canucks? that the amount of good prospect news we've had recently is not impressive? i don't follow the point of your grinchiness.

also lol at touting "serious candidates" for the WJC while bashing the all-time leading American WJC scorer

http://www.quanthockey.com/wjc-u20/en/records/wjc-u20-players-all-time-points-leaders.html

possible wjc selection to team canada is a very positive thing for a d+1 2nd or 3rd round pick and is not "bound to happen" . it's a lot less likely to happen than an american wjc selection for a 1st rounder, which is close to automatic. also, schroeder's wjc career is an outlier. every other player in the top 30 on that list born in the last 50 years had a solid nhl career except jordan.

 

[CanaFan]

what exactly does that mean? that he should not be happy it's happening? that it's not unusual for the canucks? that the amount of good prospect news we've had recently is not impressive? i don't follow the point of your grinchiness.

Possibly he was answering the poster who quite literally asked “what happened to the Canuck prospect pool?”.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Possibly he was answering the poster who quite literally asked “what happened to the Canuck prospect pool?”.

i notice you seem to do a lot of posting about other people's discussions rather than just expressing your own opinions about the subject being discussed. are you some kind of special interpretative aide mod here?

 

[GetFocht]

Don't give a f*** what anyone says, Benning has made the Canucks have one of the best prospect pools in history.

 

[CanaFan]

i notice you seem to do a lot of posting about other people's discussions rather than just expressing your own opinions about the subject being discussed. are you some kind of special interpretative aide mod here?

So you didn’t notice that part then?

Happy to help!

 

[CanaFan]

Don't give a **** what anyone says, Benning has made the Canucks have one of the best prospect pools in history.

True inasmuch as he is responsible for the 28th and 29th place teams that resulted in some high picks. Can’t say I disagree.