The Pavel Zacha mistake

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  1. Devils Dominion

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    Former Devils scouting director David Conte was around for 3 Cups and 5 Finals appearances with NJ.
    He deserves a lot of credit, especially in the 90s.

    But late in his tenure, his drafting was a complete disaster.

    Specifically his choice of Pavel Zacha at 6th overall in 2015.

    PZ was demoted to the Devils AHL team (Binghamton) last week after getting no points in the team's first 10 games.

    His lack of production so far in the NHL has been perplexing, alarming and extremely disappointing.

    PZ has good NHL size, skates well and seems to have the tools to be an effective NHL 2nd liner, at worst 3rd liner.

    Now, at 6th overall, we were expecting (for good reason) a 1st line forward for many years.

    The 2015 draft was very deep, the first round has produced many players who are having excellent NHL careers already.

    Prior to that draft, the Devils board voted for Barzal for our 6th overall pick.
    Many others preferred Provorov, some wanted Connor, Rantanan or Werenski, along with Zacha.

    Over 3 years later, it's stunning to see how poorly Zacha has done so far compared to his peers in the 2015 draft.
    2015 NHL Entry Draft Picks at hockeydb.com

    Only Strome can possibly be considered a bigger disappointment at this point in time from that draft.

    The Devils are suffering the consequences of whiffing on this pick right now, they desperately need a 2nd line center (or even wing) that can consistently produce goals/points.

    Or a 1st pairing left-handed defenseman (Provorov/Werenski)

    Even late first rounders such as Konecny and Boeser have been much better let alone 2nd rounder Aho.

    Ray Shero and his hand-picked scouting director, Paul Castron, have done a solid job in rebuilding the organization's prospect pool in the last few years, although the McLeod pick remains to be seen.

    But the Zacha Mistake is haunting the club right now and will for many years to come.
     
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    Busts happen man, its a simple as that. They're 18 year old kids, not 22 year old men like the NFL. Impossible to guarantee a homerun, even with the 1st overall pick.
     
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    mistakes happen everyday man, it'll be ok
     
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  4. Devils Dominion

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    Yep, they do happen, but a lot of our fans and fans of other teams on HFB were very skeptical of Zacha before the draft.

    The Devils needed to make the right pick there and not select a bust.
    The organization was starving for talent at the time due to many years of poor drafting.

    Too bad our fanbase was not allowed to make the pick!
     
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    Could be worse. Could be 1 overall and Yakupov.
     
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    Busts happen. Every franchise has a tale of woe when it comes to a highly drafted pick. Hell remember the Rangers with Hugh Jessiman/Dylan Mcilrath? Ryan Strome/Griffin Reinhart?

    Sometimes high picks just bust hard. Hindsight is 20/20.
     
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    Missing on a 1st round pick (especially a high one) can set a franchise back for years. Most first rounders in this era should absolutely have NHL careers. Hope Zacha can put it together and be what the Devils need him to be.
     
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    don't take players high when they don't produce particularly well in junior...
     
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    There was a mainboard thread about Pavel Zacha last week (currently on page 4 of NHL talk), there is a Bust thread (on page 3), a 2015 draft discussion thread (on page 3), and an entire Devils board.

    This is the epitome of beating a dead horse.
     
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    This post reads like it was written by someone who plays GM mode in EA, saves before the draft so they can see all the best players and then load the predraft save so they can pick them. Its almost as if you have no real clue how drafting works.
     
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    2015 was a rough year to bust. There was so much talent. Sucks for NJD that they are one of the few teams that didn’t get a stud. But they’ll be ok. Still have some nice younger players.
     
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    Or at the very least have a somewhat decent excuse for being bad
     
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    As much as I was against the McLeod pick at the time, everyone was taken before we got to pick. No one drafted around where he was supposed to go has done much of anything either. I was even a little pissed we didn’t just draft Logan Brown instead of trading the pick to Ottawa but it was obvious there was mutual interest between the two and it’s not like he’s lighting it up either. Basically I give Castron a pass on the McLeod pick.

    You’re pretty spot on with Zacha though. In hindsight, sending him back to Sarnia for one more year would have been way better than rushing him to the NHL as the AHL was not an option at the time.
     
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    Same happens for every team. Rangers took Lucien Deblois and Ron Duguay ahead on Bossy in 77 (or 78?). Hugh Jessiman over just about everyone in the 2003 draft, Dylan McIlrath. Yet, they got Lundqvist in the 7th round in 2000. The drafts the Oilers had in 79 (Lowe, Messier, Anderson) and 80 (Coffey, Kurri, Podubny, Moog) do not happen too often.
     
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    Wasn't he rushed to the NHL or mishandled?

    13-14 played 38 games (50 games) in the Czech league at 16 years old in an adult league
    14-15 37 games with Sarnia (missed 31 games)
    DRAFTED in 2015
    15-16 51 games with Sarnia (missed 17 games). He played 1 game with NJD, 3 with Albany.
    16-17 70 games with NJD and team finished last.

    Didn't played much in junior. was catapulted from NHL - AHL - OHL in his draft year
    first NHL year, team sucked badly.

    Having some AHL will help him reorientate his career.
     
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    Nah.. it's not most first round picks. Look at the 2012 graveyard. What a horrible 1st round for forwards.

    2015 draft was elite/above-average so missing out hurts. Maybe not as bad a trading a 1st for an Isles bust like Griffin Reinhart though :)
     
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  17. Devils Dominion

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    Next time send out a summary so we are aware.
     
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    All teams have that kind of story. That said, 5th or 6th overall is pretty high to make that kind of mistake.
     
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    Many teams have these horribld misses. Ask Rangers fans how they feel about Hugh Jessiman.
     
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    If our fanbase was allowed to make picks, we would have:
    Glass, Tkachuk, Konecky, Nylander, Nischikinen
    vs
    Pettersson, Juolevi, Boeser, Virtanen, Horvat.

    Quinn Hughes has probaby been the only 1st round pick the last decade people have agreed with management on.
     
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    Made up for it with the Hall trade and the Hischier lottery win (although EP is looking like a better talent). You can't always have your cake and eat it, too, unfortunately.
     
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    We'll give you Thompson for Zacha.
     
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    They also won the draft lottery for Adam Larsson.
     
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    Oh well. We have Bennett whos kind of in the same boat ish. I get how you feel.

    At least I get to crow around on my Zacha prediction now lol.
     
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    It does suck for sure. But honestly even missing in the top 10 isn't all that rare. Just look at the past 20 years of 6th overall picks. You seem much more likely to get an underwhelming player than you are a legit 1st liner.
     
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    This exact thread happened very recently
     

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