The pathetic lack of offensive players in Montreal since 97-98

[Lafleurs Guy]

add Galchenyuk didnt pop. DD was first line center. Plekanec was still top 6.

And that was a huge mistake on our part.

Yes, Price got hurt, but the whole leadership group - Pacioretty, Subban, Plekanec, Markov and also Bergevin and TéRien failed miserably at keeping it together.

The real problem was Therrien... my God did we ever f*** things up with that team.

Anyways, that was the one and only time since Roy left that I went into a season thinking we might actually have a shot.

 

[OldCraig71]

The biggest problem that hindered that entire era with above mentioned players................

DD and Pleks were one-two down the middle. Ridiculous.

 

[Runner77]

The biggest problem that hindered that entire era with above mentioned players................

DD and Pleks were one-two down the middle. Ridiculous.

Exacerbated with a ludicrous 4 year deal to DD and a bloated 2 year contract to Pleks in exchange for him dropping his NTC.

 

[LaP]

The funny thing is that season over ppg was from one of the most criticized player by the media.That should explain why offensively gifted players don't work here.

 

[blarneylad]

The funny thing is that season over ppg was from one of the most criticized player by the media.That should explain why offensively gifted players don't work here.

We need more Steve begin, kostopolous, Darche types. They absolutely love these guys

 

[LaP]

We need more Steve begin, kostopolous, Darche types. They absolutely love these guys

What about Blunden, Nokolainen, L. Shaw, Byron Froese? Can't have too much depth.

 

[PaulD]

The funny thing is that season over ppg was from one of the most criticized player by the media.That should explain why offensively gifted players don't work here.

Maybe so. They certainly used to.

 

[PaulD]

Yes I suppose I am.

Yet I remember stating that constantly at the time (013, 014, 015, 016) and getting ripped for it by a ton of hab fans.

Present company excepted of course.

 

[Rosso Scuderia]

The only word that can explain this is incompetence... EDIT: and politics/PR.

We keep hearing about the history of this team. How valuable this team is. How rich this team is. There's no cap limit to hire the GM, scouts, coaches, development team etc.. yet we are pathetic to draft and develop talent in over 20 years.

But thank god we get to hear the coach and GM's interviews and conference in french because that IS the number 1 priority.

When PR is more important than hockey, this is the results.

 

[PaulD]

Yes Therrien was a huge prob

And that was a huge mistake on our part.


The real problem was Therrien... my God did we ever **** things up with that team.

Anyways, that was the one and only time since Roy left that I went into a season thinking we might actually have a shot.

Yes Therrien was a mosaic mistake. A ridiculous hiring and criminal extension.

But as long as DD and Pleks were top six centermen they never had a shot. Whether it be Therrien or Scotty Bowman behind the bench.

 

[PaulD]

The only word that can explain this is incompetence... EDIT: and politics/PR.

We keep hearing about the history of this team. How valuable this team is. How rich this team is. There's no cap limit to hire the GM, scouts, coaches, development team etc.. yet we are pathetic to draft and develop talent in over 20 years.

But thank god we get to hear the coach and GM's interviews and conference in french because that IS the number 1 priority.

When PR is more important than hockey, this is the results.

 

[Runner77]

Yes Therrien was a mosaic mistake. A ridiculous hiring and criminal extension....

 

[OldCraig71]

Yes I suppose I am.

Yet I remember stating that constantly at the time (013, 014, 015, 016) and getting ripped for it by a ton of hab fans.

Present company excepted of course.

I was certainly never a passenger on the DD train. Therriens 5 foot 4 version of Sidney Crosby, all DD all of the time and although Pleks was a decent center he was not really what they wanted/needed him to be. We have been plagued by centre ice issues for way too long and hopefully things are going to get better in that area because like you and others say, it is so tough to be a contending team in this league without a great 1-2 punch down the middle.

 

[PaulD]

I shutter when I'm reminded he was head coach. For 5 fives seasons..............the second time!

Ludicrous.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I shutter when I'm reminded he was head coach. For 5 fives seasons..............the second time!

Ludicrous.

I know someone who does those spraypaint tshirts, she can do a very good Therrien face on tissue punching bag.

There's also a company that offers to customize the dartboards they sell with the picture of your dearly hated.

 

[Runner77]

I would by one.

Best sellers : Trump #1

Therrien.
Marchand
Avery
Bergevin
Molson
Krieder

Talk about Avery, there was an anecdote that Dale Weise mentioned in a recent podcast that I posted in the Habs gone but not forgotten thread. When Weise and Avery were together in the minors, there was this one fan who couldn't stand Avery and heckled him relentlessly during this one game. At the end of the game, Avery goes up to the fan and offers his stick to him. The fan reached out to take it, but as he did, Avery pulled it back and it went back and forth like that with the fan thinking he was getting the stick and ended up with nothing, with Avery and Weise laughing their heads off at how the fan got duped.

 

[BaseballCoach]

And that was a huge mistake on our part.


The real problem was Therrien... my God did we ever **** things up with that team.

Anyways, that was the one and only time since Roy left that I went into a season thinking we might actually have a shot.

Starting the season with nine regulation wins with a 4-2 GF/GA ratio probably encouraged you, like many others.

 

[Harry Kakalovich]

Since the 97-98 season (97-98 included), of all the players who played at least 20 games in a season for Montreal, ONLY Alex Kovalev in 07-08 managed to stay above a point-per-game.

(see bottom of the post for proof)

This period covers the dead puck era and all eras since the 2005 lock-out, however you want to divide them.

In some years, scoring was low, in others (like this year) it was much higher.

That's 21 seasons if we include this one.

21 !!!

How many posters on this board aren't even 21 years old?

Compared to the rest of the league:

(Since 97-98, included)

Anaheim: 20 seasons over PPG
Arizona: 4 seasons over PPG
Boston: 14 seasons over PPG
Buffalo: 8 seasons over PPG
Calgary: 14 seasons over PPG
Carolina: 9 seasons over PPG
Chicago: 11 seasons over PPG
Colorado: 23 seasons over PPG
Columbus: 5 seasons over PPG
Dallas: 15 seasons over PPG
Detroit: 17 seasons over PPG
Edmonton: 11 seasons over PPG
Florida: 5 seasons over PPG
Los Angeles: 12 seasons over PPG
Minnesota: 3 seasons over PPG
Montreal: 1 season over PPG
Nashville: 3 seasons over PPG
New Jersey: 15 seasons over PPG
NY Islanders: 6 seasons over PPG
NY Rangers: 8 seasons over PPG
Ottawa: 24 seasons over PPG
Philadelphia: 20 seasons over PPG
Pittsburgh: 46 seasons over PPG
San Jose: 14 seasons over PPG
St. Louis: 10 seasons over PPG
Tampa Bay: 20 seasons over PPG
Toronto: 14 seasons over PPG
Vancouver: 15 seasons over PPG
Washington: 29 seasons over PPG
Winnipeg/ATL: 13 seasons over PPG

This is it! We are DEAD LAST in the entire league.

Player Season Finder | Hockey-Reference.com

Rk	Player	PTS	Season	GP	PTS
1	Alex Kovalev	1.02	2007-08	82	84
2	Alex Kovalev	0.94	2005-06	69	65
3	Saku Koivu	0.93	2006-07	81	75
4	Mark Recchi*	0.90	1997-98	82	74
5	P.K. Subban	0.90	2012-13	42	38
6	Shayne Corson	0.89	1997-98	62	55
7	Max Pacioretty	0.89	2012-13	44	39
8	Saku Koivu	0.88	1999-00	24	21
9	Saku Koivu	0.87	2000-01	54	47
10	Saku Koivu	0.87	2002-03	82	71
11	Max Domi	0.86	2018-19	51	44
12	Saku Koivu	0.86	2005-06	72	62
13	Tomas Plekanec	0.85	2009-10	82	70
14	Tomas Plekanec	0.85	2007-08	81	69
15	Max Pacioretty	0.84	2014-15	80	67
16	Saku Koivu	0.83	1997-98	69	57
17	Alex Kovalev	0.83	2008-09	78	65
18	Max Pacioretty	0.83	2016-17	81	67
19	Andrei Markov	0.82	2008-09	78	64
20	Max Pacioretty	0.82	2011-12	79	65
21	Max Pacioretty	0.82	2013-14	73	60
22	Alex Tanguay	0.82	2008-09	50	41
23	Saku Koivu	0.81	2003-04	68	55
24	Mike Ribeiro	0.80	2003-04	81	65
25	Sheldon Souray	0.79	2006-07	81	64
26	Vincent Damphousse	0.78	1997-98	76	59
27	Robert Lang	0.78	2008-09	50	39
28	Max Pacioretty	0.78	2015-16	82	64
29	Michael Ryder	0.78	2003-04	81	63
30	Michael Ryder	0.78	2012-13	27	21

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Makes sense - they haven't been very good for a long time.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Yes Therrien was a huge prob


Yes Therrien was a mosaic mistake. A ridiculous hiring and criminal extension.

But as long as DD and Pleks were top six centermen they never had a shot. Whether it be Therrien or Scotty Bowman behind the bench.

Chuck should've been our number one. He was scoring well in limited minutes. And at the end of the year when MT finally relented and put Chuckat number one he went on a tear and was a top five scorer in the NHL over that time. It was a huge waste.

 

[Kimota]

85-86. Mats Naslund, 110 points.

More than 3o years ago.

I was friggin 7 years old the last time the Habs had a 100 points player

So what you're saying is that it's all your fault that we didn't get another one since? got it

Anyway so I think we should offersheet the shit out of everybody that has talent.

 

[BaseballCoach]

Chuck should've been our number one. He was scoring well in limited minutes. And at the end of the year when MT finally relented and put Chuckat number one he went on a tear and was a top five scorer in the NHL over that time. It was a huge waste.

He stayed at 1C the following season, was at almost ppg through December when his knee was taken out by Kopitar. Did he come back too early? Not rehab properly? Let his body go a bit?

We're not sure, but when he returned he was not the same. Therrien continued to play him at C on one of the top 2 lines, however. Then he was fired and replaced by Chu Rien. Pudge continued Chucky at C for a while with lesser and lesser linemates until he finally threw the kid under the bus. Did Galchenyuk create his own problems? I don't know. But Therrien is not the guy who took him out of the C position, not at all. Therrien was a bozo, but he ALWAYS said that the eventual goal was to have Chucky as a top line C. The theme long-term only changed after our current coach was recycled back in.

 

[BLONG7]

What could have been if this clown had not been hired back.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He stayed at 1C the following season, was at almost ppg through December when his knee was taken out by Kopitar. Did he come back too early? Not rehab properly? Let his body go a bit?

We're not sure, but when he returned he was not the same. Therrien continued to play him at C on one of the top 2 lines, however. Then he was fired and replaced by Chu Rien. Pudge continued Chucky at C for a while with lesser and lesser linemates until he finally threw the kid under the bus. Did Galchenyuk create his own problems? I don't know. But Therrien is not the guy who took him out of the C position, not at all. Therrien was a bozo, but he ALWAYS said that the eventual goal was to have Chucky as a top line C. The theme long-term only changed after our current coach was recycled back in.

I'm not talking about what happened after, I'm talking specifically about the 15-16 season. People are saying we'd have gotten nowhere with DD as our number one and I'm just pointing out that he never should have been our number one to begin with. It's just another example of us f***ing up.

It's one thing not to draft high all those years but even when we got talented players we'd f*** it up.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

What could have been if this clown had not been hired back.

MB made a lot of mistakes but that one just killed us.

 

[ECWHSWI]

The only word that can explain this is incompetence... EDIT: and politics/PR.

We keep hearing about the history of this team. How valuable this team is. How rich this team is. There's no cap limit to hire the GM, scouts, coaches, development team etc.. yet we are pathetic to draft and develop talent in over 20 years.

But thank god we get to hear the coach and GM's interviews and conference in french because that IS the number 1 priority.

When PR is more important than hockey, this is the results.

it's not the number one priority, it's the only one unfortunately, or they do everything in their power to make it look like it is...

cause when it's not the only one, you still find the Gourde, Joseph, Paquette while having Stamkos, Hedman, Kuch and some others.

Just like anoher team had Fleury, Letang, Talbot, Dupuis while we had Latendresse, Lapierre, Begin, Dandouillon...