Prospect Info: The Official 2013 Draft Thread, Part II: 17th Overall

[DJB]

Maatta isn't a defensive defeneman. If Zadorov is there at 17 I would be doing backflips.

Mueller I'm not high on.

Zadorov over Morrissey and Pulock every time.

I find he is more of a two way guy actually. I don't see him as a shutdown guy and I don't see him as pp specialist. He is a jack of all trades type of player. I liked him a lot last year and still do. Probably looking at a pretty good reliable top 4 defenceman or maybe even a reliable top pairing guy you put on the ice with a Karlsson like dman.

My old man just said he heard MacKenzie on TSN say the Sens wanna move up and take Monahan.

I think Monahan's a real catch where he's slated to go.

The 5 or 6 spot are the logical choices to move up to. Wouldn't suprise me in the least if we have Monahan rated #3 or 4 overall in the draft.

The problem with moving to #5, is that the Canes will be asking for Cowen which would be a dumb move by Murray.

 

[YNWA14]

If it's Cowen for Monahan I'm in. I know that's not a popular opinion around here...but let me ask you something. Let's say that Cowen could be Seabrook, and Monahan could be Toews. Which would you rather have on your team?

That said I know people like proven > potential, but even now Cowen has only proven to be a #4/5...it's not that much of a reach to think that Monahan could be reaching his top end potential just as fast if not faster since forwards tend to develop quicker. It's just too bad that we don't have more proven defencemen.

Oh well. It's a pipedream anyway, but there's a lot I would give up for Monahan.

 

[Minister of Offence]

Although I don't like the Seabrook comparison, you're asking a ton of Monahan to become Toews, even if for comparisons sake there is some merit.

Can't say it would be impossible to move to 5-7 without including Cowen...but from a POV down on the floor, maybe it is. We've got tons of assets, 1st, 2nd, Noesen, Puempel, Stone that could give us a shot. Not saying whether I'm up for a combo of any of those...but those assets make me think there's a possibility. Don't think we're married to any of those pieces if in fact we were that high on Monahan.

 

[Vaclav Varada]

Just got a new job and they asked if I'd work this weekend so I couldn't say no and I have to miss the draft

I might turn off my phone so I can watch it on the PVR when I get home. No other way to stay uninformed lol.

 

[Vaclav Varada]

Although I don't like the Seabrook comparison, you're asking a ton of Monahan to become Toews, even if for comparisons sake there is some merit.

Can't say it would be impossible to move to 5-7 without including Cowen...but from a POV down on the floor, maybe it is. We've got tons of assets, 1st, 2nd, Noesen, Puempel, Stone that could give us a shot. Not saying whether I'm up for a combo of any of those...but those assets make me think there's a possibility. Don't think we're married to any of those pieces if in fact we were that high on Monahan.

Very true. I think he has a good chance of becoming a Toews, its best to temper expectations until we see how he adjusts to the pros, etc.

 

[Minister of Offence]

Of course the Senators would like to move up and take Monahan

Thing is, it isn't likely to happen

We would need to move up to 6th or 5th to get him

It would take trading a player like Cowen and I'm not sure I'd do it; anything more other than a pick and it's dead on arrival I'd think

Basically it's just TSN flapping their mouths: it's probably true but also inconsequential

There's maybe a couple of posts in this entire thread that aren't inconsequential. But I'm up for discussing anything reported by TSN, mainly in order to kill time.

 

[Minister of Offence]

Very true. I think he has a good chance of becoming a Toews, its best to temper expectations until we see how he adjusts to the pros, etc.

Toews resume at this juncture of his career isn't even reasonable to ask of most 1st overalls. That's all I'm getting at.

I have a broner for Toews anyhoo.

 

[Vaclav Varada]

Toews resume at this juncture of his career isn't even reasonable to ask of most 1st overalls. That's all I'm getting at.

I have a broner for Toews anyhoo.

I just think he has the hockey smarts and talent to possibly become a Toews/Bergeron type player. Is it likely? Probably not. But he's shown me more then enough in his career with the 67s to know it's a possibility. That's all I mean.

 

[BK201]

Although I don't like the Seabrook comparison, you're asking a ton of Monahan to become Toews, even if for comparisons sake there is some merit.

Can't say it would be impossible to move to 5-7 without including Cowen...but from a POV down on the floor, maybe it is. We've got tons of assets, 1st, 2nd, Noesen, Puempel, Stone that could give us a shot. Not saying whether I'm up for a combo of any of those...but those assets make me think there's a possibility. Don't think we're married to any of those pieces if in fact we were that high on Monahan.

I know that's very similar to what i was thinking. It seems like Feaster is not a genius but will trade for what he thinks is value.

i think a roster player like greening and 2 of our top prospects IE Ceci, Stone, Peumpel, Neosen...ETC.. would get it done and we could probably even keep our 17th pick this year or add it in and keep one of our prospects.

mind you this is just something that seems like relative value and logical and IMO overpayment but in line with what Murray was talking about.

 

[Minister of Offence]

I just think he has the hockey smarts and talent to possibly become a Toews/Bergeron type player. Is it likely? Probably not. But he's shown me more then enough in his career with the 67s to know it's a possibility. That's all I mean.

Ya for sure and I'm a big fan. Monahan can legitimately do some of everything and probably will be a mostly mistake free top 6 player with star potential.

If he was flashier he'd be probably be a lock for top 5.

 

[YNWA14]

I have a feeling that the organization isn't keen on moving Ceci, especially if they are really locked in on trying to get Monahan. They value their local talents -- especially when they are premier talents.

It's meh though...I hate when networks do stuff like that. I mean, everyone knows that Ottawa would love to have Monahan...but so would 30 other teams. Them mentioning it on air, especially BMac, makes it seem like Ottawa has been active in trying to move to a position where they could make it a reality.

I wish I could just sleep for the next 36 hours.

 

[BK201]

I have a feeling that the organization isn't keen on moving Ceci, especially if they are really locked in on trying to get Monahan. They value their local talents -- especially when they are premier talents.

It's meh though...I hate when networks do stuff like that. I mean, everyone knows that Ottawa would love to have Monahan...but so would 30 other teams. Them mentioning it on air, especially BMac, makes it seem like Ottawa has been active in trying to move to a position where they could make it a reality.

I wish I could just sleep for the next 36 hours.

o yeah i doubt it I'm just throwing out whatever just to chat. From what TM was saying the other day i think if they do move prospects they're going to be forwards.

 

[We Want the Cup 2010]

If it's Cowen for Monahan I'm in. I know that's not a popular opinion around here...but let me ask you something. Let's say that Cowen could be Seabrook, and Monahan could be Toews. Which would you rather have on your team?

That said I know people like proven > potential, but even now Cowen has only proven to be a #4/5...it's not that much of a reach to think that Monahan could be reaching his top end potential just as fast if not faster since forwards tend to develop quicker. It's just too bad that we don't have more proven defencemen.

Oh well. It's a pipedream anyway, but there's a lot I would give up for Monahan.

I think it's Cowen plus the 17th to get into the top 10... Pretty ridiculous amount to give up imo

 

[Do Make Say Think]

There's maybe a couple of posts in this entire thread that aren't inconsequential. But I'm up for discussing anything reported by TSN, mainly in order to kill time.

Oh I hadn't noticed it was you without the avatar

I wasn't trying to be a dick or anything

I think it's Cowen plus the 17th to get into the top 10... Pretty ridiculous amount to give up imo

Agreed

That being said, if the Sens brass feel Monahan can be a first line centre then it's the price to pay for a team that doesn't suck (like how Chicago and Pittsburgh got their star centremen)

 

[YNWA14]

Not only that but Monahan is one of the few players in the draft I would expect to step in and be able to play next season. All accounts are that he's working extremely hard to be ready to do that, too. Would it be the best move for his development? Remains to be seen I guess.

I don't think the asking price would be Cowen + 17th though. Cowen is a good defenceman already with a bunch of upside yet to tap into. When I proposed the trade with Edmonton with the idea that Monahan or Lindholm were available it was Cowen + Smith which they considered to be about fair value. I'd imagine something similar to that package would get them to the 5 - 7 area, maybe a little more maybe a little less depending on the team.

 

[We Want the Cup 2010]

Agreed

That being said, if the Sens brass feel Monahan can be a first line centre then it's the price to pay for a team that doesn't suck (like how Chicago and Pittsburgh got their star centremen)

The pieces don't really seem to fit, unless the Ottawa is willing to part with a centre. They are loaded with C's both in the present and future. If they were making a play for Monahan, I'd assume that Turris would be part of that deal.

I'd love for Ottawa to nab Monahan, I just don't see it happening for too many reasons. For the asking price to move up, it makes way more sense to trade for an NHL scorer, as it wouldn't be as costly and would provide a more immediate impact. For Cowen and the 17th, they could probably get a top 3 forward.

 

[StefanW]

I don't expect Cowen to be moved.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

If we do move Cowen for Monahan then it just wouldn't make sense. Yes Monahan may have number 1 potential but so does Zibanejad.

Why would we move to get a center when we already have a top 5-10 center for at least another 5 years and a legitamate number 2 and 3 centers who could be 1B centers in 2 years.

Unless we select Lindholm cause he plays RW as well, it just makes no sense to me.

If Ottawa trades Cowen for Monahan then I expect to trade Spezza for Shattenkirk, Schwartz and whoever cause obviously we aren't looking to compete right away so might as well pick-up assets so in 2-3 years we have all pieces. I'm just saying.

Our D has a top pair and then 4 bottom pairing D's.

 

[We Want the Cup 2010]

I don't expect Cowen to be moved.

Nobody in the system can replace what Cowen brings. Sens should be moving some young forward prospects to get whatever it is they're looking for. One or some of Pageau, Prince, Noeson, Puempel, Stone, Hoffman, plus the ones already playing on the big club are Ottawa's bargaining chips. They can't all play for Ottawa. Might as well cash some of them in while they're in a position of strength.

 

[BK201]

what if Calgary asked for our first prince and stone for 6th overall? where do you guys sit on a deal like that? too much to give up? seems like it.

I'm not saying do that at all I'm just throwing whatever around.

 

[WhiteLight*]

what if Calgary asked for our first prince and stone for 6th overall? where do you guys sit on a deal like that? too much to give up? seems like it.

I'm not saying do that at all I'm just throwing whatever around.

Nope. No use giving up Prince. His value is probably a mid 2nd rounder at best. Might as well keep him. I'd rather give up Puempel or Noesen who have higher value but not better upside.

 

[Laphroaig]

what if Calgary asked for our first prince and stone for 6th overall? where do you guys sit on a deal like that? too much to give up? seems like it.

I'm not saying do that at all I'm just throwing whatever around.

I'd do that every day of the week. I think Calgary would want more but then again it's Feaster.

 

[BK201]

Nope. No use giving up Prince. His value is probably a mid 2nd rounder at best. Might as well keep him. I'd rather give up Puempel or Noesen who have higher value but not better upside.

I've always really liked prince too, always have use to go watch 67's play a lot was glad we drafted him.

theres just so many decent players how can we keep them all :/

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

We need to focus on wingers guys.

I want Monahan/Lindholm more than the next guy but

Spezza
Turris
Zibanejad
Pageau
Smith

Is ridiculous center depth.

If we do trade up it's to get maybe Nurse or maybe we do want Monahan/Lindholm cause Zibanejad would be traded for a winger.

OR MURRAY GOES CRAY PULLS A WILD CARD AND SELECTS NICHUSHKIN, if he was Canadian he is literally everything we need in a winger whooo knowssssss.

 

[WhiteLight*]

I've always really liked prince too, always have use to go watch 67's play a lot was glad we drafted him.

theres just so many decent players how can we keep them all :/

I dunno, but so far the Sens have 14 NHL forwards + Mike 'on the bubble' Hoffman so it's not like it's overflowing just yet.

A quantity for quality trade would be nice though.

I really like Prince, he should stay. Wing is the weakest position on the NHL team so I don't think all these winger prospects should be traded