Except Muckler never actually dealt with it. We all knew what we needed, everyone did, and he failed to get it year after year...
Gary Friggin' Roberts.... It's a running joke for sure, but absolutely true.
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Except Muckler never actually dealt with it. We all knew what we needed, everyone did, and he failed to get it year after year...
Gary Friggin' Roberts.... It's a running joke for sure, but absolutely true.
Here's another Sens goalie article relevant to the thread. It sounds like GM Murray wants to keep Anderson and trade Lehner?!? Makes no sense to me especially when they gave up on Bishop and he takes over the #1 goalie duties for the Stanley Cup finalists/runnersup team. Why would you risk another screwup by thinking Lehner won't pan out? He's only 23, right?!?
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/18/murray-senators-will-talk-goalie-trade-right-up-to-draft-day
http://www.torontosun.com/2015/06/18/murray-senators-will-talk-goalie-trade-right-up-to-draft-day
This is new news to you? From the sounds of it, Lehner has been shopped for a while now.
I don't want to trade Andy right now. Most fans think he's a top 10 goalie when healthy
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On top of that, I think it was pretty telling with the post game interviews during the streak with Hammond. Players were saying they loved playing for a guy like Hammond and reading between the lines, I think the players kind of got frustrated with Robin's post goal reactions. A few years ago I was 100% on board the Lehner bandwagon but I think he is going to be traded and its going to be better for all involved.
What has Lehner done to deserve the same sort of accolades as Bishop? Bishop benefits from backstopping a on a powerhouse Tampa team that doesn't need extraordinary goaltending. I'm not saying Lehner won't be a good goalie one day but he's years away IMO. Anderson is the only sure thing right now & right now I have more faith in Hammond than I do in Lehner. But we're blessed to have so much depth in goal that you can't really go wrong one way or another but I'm sure that won't stop people from saying we did go wrong no matter what we do.
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Was he responsible for the Demitra trade? THAT imo was the worst trade in Ottawa history in my book.
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so based on the press conference earlier his week, seems Murray is trying to package a bad contact with whatever goalie he gets rid of even if doing that results in less of a return. I think I have just calmed down enough from hearing that to post about it. It isn't like we are up against the cap, we have all kinds of space to sign the players that need contracts.
I was really hoping that all of the increased TV revenue would result in something other than a shoe string budget but I guess not.
so based on the press conference earlier his week, seems Murray is trying to package a bad contact with whatever goalie he gets rid of even if doing that results in less of a return. I think I have just calmed down enough from hearing that to post about it. It isn't like we are up against the cap, we have all kinds of space to sign the players that need contracts.
I was really hoping that all of the increased TV revenue would result in something other than a shoe string budget but I guess not.
I don't think it's 100% due to the budget. It's about having a gazillion forwards under contract
Plus seeing Greening and Legwand go is addition by subtraction. Far from a bad thing.
Plus seeing Greening and Legwand go is addition by subtraction. Far from a bad thing.
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I had low expectations for this goalie trade before Murray even mentioned including a bad contract.
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If you continue to listen through that same interview you will hear Murray acknowledge that we have a budget and that we will not spend to the cap. The cap is irrelevant, but the budget is. We are essentially looking at using an asset (goaltender) to save cash in the budget, which can then be used to sign RFAs, re-sign Condra, or go after the top 6 forward that BM has been after forever.
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Melnyk's internal budget strikes again
But Murray said yesterday they have a decent budget but won't be a cap team.
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I don't know why anyone expected different?Melnyk's internal budget strikes again
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Using a goalie to offload a bad contract is not necessarily the worst thing in the world for this team. That extra cash could be used to make a splash in another way, such as having the resources to pay for the top 6 BM has been after.
Having said this, I thought the same thing about the Spezza trade. The extra resources we used were put into signing Legwand, so....
Having said this, I thought the same thing about the Spezza trade. The extra resources we used were put into signing Legwand, so....
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I think the bolded should be stressed. I am still apprehensive about including an anchor contract in the goalie deal for fear of not getting the best asset coming back this way, however if they are unloaded for picks etc. the saved cash goes to another signing, so the trade would indirectly contribute to getting a better asset in the long run. We might be underwhelmed with the initial return on the impending trade, but at the end of the day it's about allocating dollars in the right areas.
But it's eventually signing/trading for the right player that then becomes the issue.. no more "potential top 6" Chia's and Cory's.
Still predicting Lehner and some cap dumps to Buffalo. I can see a deal being made around the 31st draft pick
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Ya.. I'm not down with supplying two of our division rivals with their starting goaltenders.
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The preference would be to trade him to Edmonton, but if the deal is much better (including a contract can be much better) from Buffalo than you do it.
I'm just not a Bishop fan and I don't believe he will be a starting goalie very much longer. This isn't because he was traded from the Sens which will immediately get stated, I just don't see a technically sound goalie there.
We can have the Lehner debate, he is a technically sound goalie but goalies rise and they fall all the time, only the really good ones remain consistent over a long period of time. Does Sens management feel Lehner can become consistent, that's the question they are asking, not if he starts in Buffalo. I'll say it again, even if it's not directed at you, you never NOT make a trade because you think the traded player "might" do well elsewhere.
Ya, I agree. It really just comes up to what is being offered for Lehner, and I think Tim will play the most, by quite a bit.
Really disagree with Bishop though. Not technically sound but really athletic. and **** me you cant teach being 6'7
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Don't worry. To me, it doesn't feel like Buffalo is being rebuilt the proper way at all. Too many kids, no direction, no defense, no goaltending. Feels like Edmonton 2.0.
Lehner may be a potential franchise goalie, but he'll never have a chance to reach that ceiling in Buffalo.
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they've got some young defensemen, great future depth down the middle, bunch of veterans to help lead, a very strong winger in Kane. it's shaping up although obviously a long way to go.
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