The once-new "what's going on with Panarin" thread

[CBJWerenski8]

I get liking Panarin better than Saad, but playing off Saad as some "eh" player is ridiculous. He was very good here. He wasn't a difference maker, per se, but he was very good. His advanced metrics (Which I am iffy on, but still) are through the roof and he had an absurdly good start last year with an absurdly bad finish. He'll have a good season.

I am concerned about the Panarin neck injury though.

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

Bingo. It’s feeling more and more like the pre-salary cap NHL. Big players going to bigger markets.

If small market teams can't compete with a salary cap, I worry about the viability of the Jackets.

 

[major major]

Anisimov and Dano aren't worth diddly-squat now, so we didn't lose in the long run. We'd get a lot more for Panarin if we wanted to trade him.

Saad wanted out - Panarin probably doesn't want to live here, but Saad didn't want to be on this team, and that's a bigger problem. I do think Saad was very good here.

Both of those deals were big upgrades and I'd actually prefer two years of Panarin to four of Saad, so I'm not really pressed to re-evaluate things by recent events.

 

[major major]

If small market teams can't compete with a salary cap, I worry about the viability of the Jackets.

I don't see the trend. Everyone has basically the same team salary and how many players are actually jumping ship to big cities?

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

By the way, what is the problem with Columbus that guys don't want to play for the Jackets?

I don't get it.

 

[major major]

By the way, what is the problem with Columbus that guys don't want to play for the Jackets?

I don't get it.

I don't get it either, but I'm also not sure if there is much of a trend to speak of. Obviously there were instances back in the day when the club was trapped at the bottom of the standings. I don't think the Panarin case has any relation to that though.

 

[Socks]

Anisimov and Dano aren't worth diddly-squat now, so we didn't lose in the long run. We'd get a lot more for Panarin if we wanted to trade him.

Saad wanted out - Panarin probably doesn't want to live here, but Saad didn't want to be on this team, and that's a bigger problem. I do think Saad was very good here.

Both of those deals were big upgrades and I'd actually prefer two years of Panarin to four of Saad, so I'm not really pressed to re-evaluate things by recent events.

Saad was never actively problematic while on the team. He might not have been a good fit but he wasn’t a Carter.

 

[EspenK]

Saad twice had 53 points with the CBJ. He was a problem? How & Why?

 

[JacketsDavid]

By the way, what is the problem with Columbus that guys don't want to play for the Jackets?

I don't get it.

Old school coach.
Smaller town (not big city like New York, LA, Chicago) with not much of night life.
Not a hockey town.
Team not winning (better than in past but as I've always said an average team in NHL makes playoffs).

But I think the coaching is biggest thing. That's what Saad pointed out in article is some times he thought he was playing well and he would get benched.

 

[Jackets16]

Since Columbus joined the Eastern Conference:

Average Points/Year for Eastern Conference Teams:

• Washington - 106.8
• Pittsburgh - 104.4
• Tampa Bay - 102.6
• Boston - 102.6
• Rangers - 97.8
• Montreal - 93.2
• Columbus - 92.6
• Philadelphia - 92.0
• Islanders - 90.8
• Detroit - 87.6
• Florida - 87.4
• Ottawa - 87.4
• Toronto - 84.2
• New Jersey - 83.4
• Carolina - 82.0
• Buffalo - 65.4

 

[Jackets16]

Since Columbus joined the Eastern Conference:

Playoff Appearances for Eastern Conference Teams:

Pittsburgh - 5
Tampa Bay - 4
Washington - 4
Rangers - 4
Columbus - 3
Philadelphia - 3
Boston - 3
Detroit - 3
Montreal - 3
Islanders - 2
Ottawa - 2
Toronto - 2
Florida - 1
New Jersey - 1
Buffalo - 0
Carolina - 0

 

[Xoggz22]

So if he isn't going to "resign" in CBJ does that mean he's staying.

 

[MAHJ71]

I get liking Panarin better than Saad, but playing off Saad as some "eh" player is ridiculous. He was very good here. He wasn't a difference maker, per se, but he was very good. His advanced metrics (Which I am iffy on, but still) are through the roof and he had an absurdly good start last year with an absurdly bad finish. He'll have a good season.

I am concerned about the Panarin neck injury though.

Major displaying fake outrage about the masses not appreciating Saad in 3...2...1..

For the record, I agree with you Wen

 

[major major]

Saad twice had 53 points with the CBJ. He was a problem? How & Why?

I loved Saad as a player. He didn't always give 100% but his overall play even without that was very good, defensively and offensively, just by virtue of his physical gifts. He was a hard player to play against, even if he wouldn't hit.

He didn't have the buy-in with Torts and he didn't want to be there. None of that hurt the team on the ice but it was a risk of getting there. That's why I might shy away from reacquiring him - I'm pretty sure his dip in production is temporary, but the attitude I'm not sure about.

 

[Cowumbus]

Since Columbus joined the Eastern Conference:

Playoff Appearances for Eastern Conference Teams:

Pittsburgh - 5
Tampa Bay - 4
Washington - 4
Rangers - 4
Columbus - 3
Philadelphia - 3
Boston - 3
Detroit - 3
Montreal - 3
Islanders - 2
Ottawa - 2
Toronto - 2
Florida - 1
New Jersey - 1
Buffalo - 0
Carolina - 0

Now do it with playoff wins, or series wins.

 

[Jovavic]

The players not wanting to be here didn't have any kids.

 

[NotWendell]

The players not wanting to be here didn't have any kids.

Now THAT is an excellent observation! Columbus is known as a great place for families but our night life is rarely described as lit

 

[Cyclones Rock]

So if he isn't going to "resign" in CBJ does that mean he's staying.

 

[KJ Dangler]

I expect the next cba to address this issue , and give teams that have invested in a player , a bigger advantage as far as contract / incentives . As it stands , 8 years instead of 7 doesn’t really move the needle , in a players decision to stay with their current team .

 

[Brunomics]

I expect the next cba to address this issue , and give teams that have invested in a player , a bigger advantage as far as contract / incentives . As it stands , 8 years instead of 7 doesn’t really move the needle , in a players decision to stay with their current team .

Islander fan lurking. But I think the next CBA needs to have the organization give a franchise type tag similar to the NFL for UFA's.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Islander fan lurking. But I think the next CBA needs to have the organization give a franchise type tag similar to the NFL for UFA's.

No chance in hell the PA goes for that.

I personally think the UFA rules are fine.

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

Foote chose to sign here from the get-go. Carter and Bread didn’t.

Having said that Jeff Carter is a cock-juggling thundercunt.

Bread isn’t in the either Foote or Carter category for me. I’ll just be super disappointed if we lose him but he’s been pretty transparent about this situation.

They are both rejection in my book and I am super sensitive to rejection.

 

[I am not exposed]

Since Columbus joined the Eastern Conference:

Average Points/Year for Eastern Conference Teams:

• Washington - 106.8
• Pittsburgh - 104.4
• Tampa Bay - 102.6
• Boston - 102.6
• Rangers - 97.8
• Montreal - 93.2
• Columbus - 92.6
• Philadelphia - 92.0
• Islanders - 90.8
• Detroit - 87.6
• Florida - 87.4
• Ottawa - 87.4
• Toronto - 84.2
• New Jersey - 83.4
• Carolina - 82.0
• Buffalo - 65.4

I know Buffalo have been bad, but that is truly awful!

 

[NotWendell]

They are both rejection in my book and I am super sensitive to rejection.

By the way, I won't be able to make it to lunch Thursday. LOLOL

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

By the way, I won't be able to make it to lunch Thursday. LOLOL

If you recognize this, then you are old!!