Speculation: The Jets and the 2021 Seattle Expansion Draft

[KingBogo]

Far too early for this. I don't think we can say even with certainty whether we'd go 7-3-1 or 8 skaters + 1 goalie, let alone offer an educated guess on who'll fill out the protected list.

This exercise will be limited to everyone agreeing on Scheifele, Connor, Ehlers, Laine & Morrissey.

Any further speculation will be limited by current bias. A lot will change over the next 2.5 years (31 months).

Perreault, Lowry, Myers, Kulikov, Tanev, Byfuglien, Chiarot, Trouba will all be or have been UFA's, if they are even on the team.

We have no idea how well Stanley, Niku, Appleton, Petan, Roslovic, Lemieux & Poolman will have progressed.

Wheeler & Little could regress to the point they are deemed expendable. Conversely each could still be valuable commodities.

I was going to post something like this, but well said.

 

[Gm0ney]

It's kind of interesting to speculate with the current roster. We do know that Wheeler has a full NMC so he will be protected. We can assume that Chevy won't be trading many of the core players - although Trouba seems unlikely to be here.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Byfuglien being exposed wouldn't make a difference either way, I'd do it in this case-scenario if I were him, unless Seattle decides to offer him a dumb contract where Buff takes it and runs. We could also re-sign him in F/A, unless the NHL makes a rule as to which we can't sign him as a UFA after exposing him.

Like I said, I hope they take Little, or in that case, Buff.

 

[Trinity]

Here's mine:

Forwards: Scheifele, Laine, Ehlers, Connor, Wheeler, Roslovic, Lowry/Appleton
D-men: Morrissey, Byfuglien, Trouba (as of today)
Goalie: Helle

I found D to be the most difficult to project with Morrissey the only sure thing.

 

[Derfel]

Trouba isn't on the Jets when this draft happens.

Agreed, he's long gone by then.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Here's mine:

Forwards: Scheifele, Laine, Ehlers, Connor, Wheeler, Roslovic, Lowry/Appleton
D-men: Morrissey, Byfuglien, Trouba (as of today)
Goalie: Helle

I found D to be the most difficult to project with Morrissey the only sure thing.

Why on earth would you protect Buff??? He'll be a year out to UFA and on the back 9

 

[BatVader]

My guess would be...

Forwards: Scheifele, Wheeler, Laine, Connor, Ehlers, Roslovic, Lowry

Defence: Byfuglien, Morrissey, Niku

Goalies: Hellebuyck

 

[KingBogo]

Why on earth would you protect Buff??? He'll be a year out to UFA and on the back 9

Actually Buff will be a pending UFA come the XD. So if the rules are the same Seattle can just sign him if they want him. If he re-signs beforehand with the Jets most certainly it will come with a NMC. It is a little too early to say for sure who gets protected other than the most obvious choices.

 

[GaryPoppins]

Actually Buff will be a pending UFA come the XD. So if the rules are the same Seattle can just sign him if they want him. If he re-signs beforehand with the Jets most certainly it will come with a NMC. It is a little too early to say for sure who gets protected other than the most obvious choices.

That's just it. So much can/will change. Especially if we win a cup..

 

[Whileee]

Too early to know how the Jets' D will look. If the Jets have Trouba under contract, then I think they don't protect Buff and then perhaps try to re-sign him for a few years as a UFA. Buff has been aging like a fine old cheddar...

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Byfuglien being exposed wouldn't make a difference either way, I'd do it in this case-scenario if I were him, unless Seattle decides to offer him a dumb contract where Buff takes it and runs. We could also re-sign him in F/A, unless the NHL makes a rule as to which we can't sign him as a UFA after exposing him.

Like I said, I hope they take Little, or in that case, Buff.

Why on earth would you protect Buff??? He'll be a year out to UFA and on the back 9

Buff won't be "a year out of UFA"...he's a 2021 UFA.

If Buff or any other 2021 UFA is UFA, they're a UFA and bound to no team. Jets wouldn't be protecting a UFA and Seattle wouldn't be wasting an expansion pick on one...they'd simply sign him if both parties were in agreement.

The NHL won't be making a rule about signing UFA's. They can go wherever they please.

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

Buff won't be "a year out of UFA"...he's a 2021 UFA.

If Buff or any other 2021 UFA is UFA, they're a UFA and bound to no team. Jets wouldn't be protecting a UFA and Seattle wouldn't be wasting an expansion pick on one...they'd simply sign him if both parties were in agreement.

The NHL won't be making a rule about signing UFA's. They can go wherever they please.

Well, I know if you buyout a player you cannot sign them after they've been bought out. If that were the case Lecavalier might have retired with the Tampa Bay Lightning. It's also why Orpik was traded to Colorado, so they could buy him out and Washington could still sign him.

But what I mean is say if we exposed Buff to Seattle and Seattle did claim him with no intention of Byfuglien suiting up with them, then the NHL might make a rule as he can't sign with his previous team who exposed him in the expansion draft. But right now as it stands there isn't and won't be a rule on that.

 

[Whileee]

Well, I know if you buyout a player you cannot sign them after they've been bought out. If that were the case Lecavalier might have retired with the Tampa Bay Lightning. It's also why Orpik was traded to Colorado, so they could buy him out and Washington could still sign him.

But what I mean is say if we exposed Buff to Seattle and Seattle did claim him with no intention of Byfuglien suiting up with them, then the NHL might make a rule as he can't sign with his previous team who exposed him in the expansion draft. But right now as it stands there isn't and won't be a rule on that.

Absolutely no chance that the NHL will restrict a team (and player) from re-signing with a team that didn't protect him in the expansion draft.

 

[Board Bard]

Too early to know how the Jets' D will look. If the Jets have Trouba under contract, then I think they don't protect Buff and then perhaps try to re-sign him for a few years as a UFA. Buff has been aging like a fine old cheddar...

Yeah, would be best for the Jets to sign Buff after the XD, if he's still capable. It would be like getting an extra D on the protected list for free. All it would take is some cooperation from Buff. He's got to be super loaded money wise so it could come down to quality of team and quality of life for him and his family. So far both of those seem to be working in the Jets' favour but a lot can happen in 31 months.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Yeah, would be best for the Jets to sign Buff after the XD, if he's still capable. It would be like getting an extra D on the protected list for free. All it would take is some cooperation from Buff. He's got to be super loaded money wise so it could come down to quality of team and quality of life for him and his family. So far both of those seem to be working in the Jets' favour but a lot can happen in 31 months.

The one positive to discussing the expansion draft in advance is to fully understand the rules.

As such I thought it best to correct my last post on the 2021 UFA class. All who will become UFA's in 2021 are free to negotiate with any team once "free agent frenzy begins." If the past is any indication this will be on July 1st 2021 prior to which all UFA's remain property of their 2020-2021 team.

With the expansion draft occurring prior to this, that begs the question if teams protect their UFA's?

Yes they do, as they are still technically under contract until Free Agent Frenzy begins weeks after the expansion draft occurs.

In the last expansion draft Vegas was given a 48 hour window immediately preceding the expansion draft, to speak to and potentially sign any players that were UFA's. This way they wouldn't waste a pick on a player they couldn't sign. In addition any UFA signed would count as that teams selection, meaning teams could not lose a second player.

To elaborate, just because Seattle might be interested in any of the Jets UFA's which will include Byfuglien, Perreault & Lowry, any of each would have to agree.

In 2017 Vegas chose UFA Thorburn as their selection from the Jets. He didn't sign with Vegas, rather he chose St. Louis.

This of course begs the last question, could that Jets have resigned Thorburn? If Seattle were to select any one of Byfuglien, Perreault of Lowry are they simply able to not sign, reject any Seattle offer and resign with the Jets?

No because there was a rule in place that stated that any selected player could not return to their original team until January 1st, 2018.

Here's where I need help, does this mean that if a UFA is selected and then chooses not to sign in Seattle could he simply hold out until January 1st 2022 and return to his original team mid-season?

First off I doubt this scenario would even unfold. If during the pre-negotiating UFA window it was clear this player would not sign, why would they waste a pick? Doing so would offer no gain to their expansion cause.

So we now return to my earlier post that UFA's don't need protection. Although this is technically wrong, the result would be the same, but only if their original team is completely certain that the player has no intention on jumping ship.

This was rather insightful on this matter.

The Curious Role Of UFAs In The Expansion Draft - SinBin.vegas

Any additional thought from anyone?

 

[Whileee]

The one positive to discussing the expansion draft in advance is to fully understand the rules.

As such I thought it best to correct my last post on the 2021 UFA class. All who will become UFA's in 2021 are free to negotiate with any team once "free agent frenzy begins." If the past is any indication this will be on July 1st 2021 prior to which all UFA's remain property of their 2020-2021 team.

With the expansion draft occurring prior to this, that begs the question if teams protect their UFA's?

Yes they do, as they are still technically under contract until Free Agent Frenzy begins weeks after the expansion draft occurs.

In the last expansion draft Vegas was given a 48 hour window immediately preceding the expansion draft, to speak to and potentially sign any players that were UFA's. This way they wouldn't waste a pick on a player they couldn't sign. In addition any UFA signed would count as that teams selection, meaning teams could not lose a second player.

To elaborate, just because Seattle might be interested in any of the Jets UFA's which will include Byfuglien, Perreault & Lowry, any of each would have to agree.

In 2017 Vegas chose UFA Thorburn as their selection from the Jets. He didn't sign with Vegas, rather he chose St. Louis.

This of course begs the last question, could that Jets have resigned Thorburn? If Seattle were to select any one of Byfuglien, Perreault of Lowry are they simply able to not sign, reject any Seattle offer and resign with the Jets?

No because there was a rule in place that stated that any selected player could not return to their original team until January 1st, 2018.

Here's where I need help, does this mean that if a UFA is selected and then chooses not to sign in Seattle could he simply hold out until January 1st 2022 and return to his original team mid-season?

First off I doubt this scenario would even unfold. If during the pre-negotiating UFA window it was clear this player would not sign, why would they waste a pick? Doing so would offer no gain to their expansion cause.

So we now return to my earlier post that UFA's don't need protection. Although this is technically wrong, the result would be the same, but only if their original team is completely certain that the player has no intention on jumping ship.

This was rather insightful on this matter.

The Curious Role Of UFAs In The Expansion Draft - SinBin.vegas

Any additional thought from anyone?

I think Buff would be a very good bet to sign with the Jets. This area is his home, he likes the team, and they are likely to be a contender for the foreseeable future. The Jets are more likely to lose him to a team other than Seattle once he hits UFA, but I'd bet the Jets will re-sign him if he's still good and wants to play. He seems a good bet to retire as a Jet, and maybe be one of the first to have his jersey retired by Jets 2.0.

 

[jgimp]

Well, I know if you buyout a player you cannot sign them after they've been bought out. If that were the case Lecavalier might have retired with the Tampa Bay Lightning. It's also why Orpik was traded to Colorado, so they could buy him out and Washington could still sign him.

But what I mean is say if we exposed Buff to Seattle and Seattle did claim him with no intention of Byfuglien suiting up with them, then the NHL might make a rule as he can't sign with his previous team who exposed him in the expansion draft. But right now as it stands there isn't and won't be a rule on that.

Bettman will make whatever rule Vegas wants him to make...

 

[Board Bard]

The one positive to discussing the expansion draft in advance is to fully understand the rules.

As such I thought it best to correct my last post on the 2021 UFA class. All who will become UFA's in 2021 are free to negotiate with any team once "free agent frenzy begins." If the past is any indication this will be on July 1st 2021 prior to which all UFA's remain property of their 2020-2021 team.

With the expansion draft occurring prior to this, that begs the question if teams protect their UFA's?

Yes they do, as they are still technically under contract until Free Agent Frenzy begins weeks after the expansion draft occurs.

In the last expansion draft Vegas was given a 48 hour window immediately preceding the expansion draft, to speak to and potentially sign any players that were UFA's. This way they wouldn't waste a pick on a player they couldn't sign. In addition any UFA signed would count as that teams selection, meaning teams could not lose a second player.

To elaborate, just because Seattle might be interested in any of the Jets UFA's which will include Byfuglien, Perreault & Lowry, any of each would have to agree.

In 2017 Vegas chose UFA Thorburn as their selection from the Jets. He didn't sign with Vegas, rather he chose St. Louis.

This of course begs the last question, could that Jets have resigned Thorburn? If Seattle were to select any one of Byfuglien, Perreault of Lowry are they simply able to not sign, reject any Seattle offer and resign with the Jets?

No because there was a rule in place that stated that any selected player could not return to their original team until January 1st, 2018.

Here's where I need help, does this mean that if a UFA is selected and then chooses not to sign in Seattle could he simply hold out until January 1st 2022 and return to his original team mid-season?

First off I doubt this scenario would even unfold. If during the pre-negotiating UFA window it was clear this player would not sign, why would they waste a pick? Doing so would offer no gain to their expansion cause.

So we now return to my earlier post that UFA's don't need protection. Although this is technically wrong, the result would be the same, but only if their original team is completely certain that the player has no intention on jumping ship.

This was rather insightful on this matter.

The Curious Role Of UFAs In The Expansion Draft - SinBin.vegas

Any additional thought from anyone?

I agree that Seattle is unlikely to waste a pick on soon-to-be-UFA Buff if, after talking to him in the pre-draft period, they learn he will not sign with them. If Buff is good enough to still be playing after the draft, it would be great if the Jets could leave him off the protected list but still sign him afterward. It would be less good if they sign him then have to protect him.

 

[lanky]

It would be less good if they sign him then have to protect him.

It wouldn't even be a big deal. It's basically the difference between protecting Niku or not. We're going to lose one quality player in this draft regardless. If it's Niku instead of Appleton I won't be too bothered. We have Samberg, Chisholm and Stanley all looking like they have an NHL future.

 

[Whileee]

It wouldn't even be a big deal. It's basically the difference between protecting Niku or not. We're going to lose one quality player in this draft regardless. If it's Niku instead of Appleton I won't be too bothered. We have Samberg, Chisholm and Stanley all looking like they have an NHL future.

I think it's Niku or Stanley that they lose, unless Trouba is moved for a D they don't need to protect, which seems unlikely. At this point, Niku would be the clear choice to protect, but perhaps values will change over the next couple of seasons.

 

[libertarian]

I think Buff would be a very good bet to sign with the Jets. This area is his home, he likes the team, and they are likely to be a contender for the foreseeable future. The Jets are more likely to lose him to a team other than Seattle once he hits UFA, but I'd bet the Jets will re-sign him if he's still good and wants to play. He seems a good bet to retire as a Jet, and maybe be one of the first to have his jersey retired by Jets 2.0.

Not sure that Buff would ever get his number retired here unless he can win a Norris and cup this season or next. That said unless he wants to play in Minny I don't see him wanting to play the rest of his career any where else.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

My guess would be...

Forwards: Scheifele, Wheeler, Laine, Connor, Ehlers, Roslovic, Lowry

Defence: Byfuglien, Morrissey, Niku

Goalies: Hellebuyck

Doubt they will protect Buff at that stage. He will be a pending UFA, 36 YO. He may have already announced his retirement to go fishing.

You can panic and ask how we will contend without him but the fact is that he won't be the player then that he is now. If we can't contend without Buff we will be unable to contend with him as well.

 

[BatVader]

Doubt they will protect Buff at that stage. He will be a pending UFA, 36 YO. He may have already announced his retirement to go fishing.

You can panic and ask how we will contend without him but the fact is that he won't be the player then that he is now. If we can't contend without Buff we will be unable to contend with him as well.

You realize we are talking a year and a half from now, right?

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

You realize we are talking a year and a half from now, right?

The 2021 season is how far away?

Try the math again.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

You realize we are talking a year and a half from now, right?

Nope. It is two and a half. Spring of '21.