Recalled/Assigned: The Christian Dvorak Uber Tracker

[XX]

It doesn't matter. He's a good player but you can easily replace him. You shouldn't overvalue his injury history. When healthy he was always great and in the end that's what counts. If there's a health problem you just put him on LTIR and get the cap back.

A player's ability to stay healthy impacts their value on the market. This is doubly true if teams are looking at him as more than a bottom 6 center. There's no reason to overpay him.

 

[Hinterland]

Dvorak scratched tonight against the Texas Stars, Marcantuoni in for Olver.

Most likely related to the Hanzal injury. I expect a call up.
What's wrong with Fournier though? He only played 2 Games and appears to be scratched tonight as well...

 

[BUX7PHX]

It doesn't matter. He's a good player but you can easily replace him. You shouldn't overvalue his injury history. When healthy he was always great and in the end that's what counts. If there's a health problem you just put him on LTIR and get the cap back.

XX isn't overvaluing the injury history. Hanzal has often been missing about 25-30% of games, but rarely has he been on LTIR. That is where your mistake is in assessing Hanzal's worth. We may get one or two good seasons at a high price, but he will likely be signed to a 4 or 5 year deal. Given who we have coming up to replace Hanzal, it may not be something that we can afford from a lineup view, as opposed to a dollar view.

Worst case scenario is that he gets signed long term and suffers an injury that deflates his trade value considerably. As teams update their rosters per the expansion draft, teams will be less likely to add an LTIR/salary cap relief player, IMO.

 

[mouser]

I'd actually offer him 5 x 3.5m and get it fully insured.

400k raise, but he'd fall in line to what basically an elite bottom 6 center is paid. I'd play him on the 4th line as much as possible, in a specialist role, like Boyd Gordon when he was here. Cut down his minutes and maybe the back problems aren't as bad or they completely go away.

He goes down with an injury? Not a big deal, call someone up. Faceoffs take a hit but your lineup isn't completely shot.

Basically, the Coyotes need to stop playing him as a top center, because they're creating a problem that doesn't need to exist.

Probably can't insure Hanzal against another back injury. The NHL insurance plan usually doesn't cover recurrences of a chronic or pre-existing condition. Also the insurance doesn't kick in until the player misses half a season. Missing 20 games on average a season isn't going to see any payouts from insurance.

 

[rt]

He also sucks when he's trying to play through injury. And when he's freshly back from injury. You get the real Hanzal for only half a season.

 

[Mosby]

It'd be such a mistake to re-sign Hanzal. Please trade him.

 

[MIGs Dog]

It'd be such a mistake to re-sign Hanzal. Please trade him.

I would sign him, but for shorter term and less money than he probably wants. He has not played a complete season since 2009-10, usually averages about 25% of the year on the DL. 3 yrs max.

The way this season is going we will be sellers. The trick is to get Marty healthy and on the ice before the deadline and then deal him.

 

[SniperHF]

Good times.

 

[Grimes]

Eh, I'm fine with it. This year hasn't been pretty. Tucson has only lost once in regulation.

 

[_Del_]

Hahahahahahaha We could not be worse at evaluation or development if we tried. They have made a caricature of themselves with this type of move.

Can't wait for the rationalizations to begin!

 

[AZviaNJ]

I would sign him, but for shorter term and less money than he probably wants. He has not played a complete season since 2009-10, usually averages about 25% of the year on the DL. 3 yrs max.

The way this season is going we will be sellers. The trick is to get Marty healthy and on the ice before the deadline and then deal him.

Divorce coming. Marty needs a long-term deal for his own good, he'll likely get at least 4 years from another team and should take it.

 

[Grimes]

Hahahahahahaha We could not be worse at evaluation or development if we tried. They have made a caricature of themselves with this type of move.

Can't wait for the rationalizations to begin!

Actually, I'm glad they have come to this realization this quickly rather than stringing him along more. This will be a better spot for him and where I wanted him at the beginning of the offseason. Now they have to start playing Strome or I will pull out the ol' torch and pitchfork.

Can we leave all of the gems in Tucson until after the deadline now? Please no Perlini, Dvo, McInnis call ups unless its for injury support. Let them go to the playoffs and win the championship.

 

[Plub]

The thing is, it isn't what we want. It's the reasoning they use. There's no way they can say his play justifies being sent down, but that is what they will say.

It doesn't pay to be young and play for DT.

 

[The Feckless Puck]

Hahahahahahaha We could not be worse at evaluation or development if we tried. They have made a caricature of themselves with this type of move.

Can't wait for the rationalizations to begin!

I'm good with it. Dvorak needs to be getting a hell of a lot more ice time than Tippett is giving him and he might as well get it in Tucson where they're actually capable of winning games, it seems.

I don't think for a second he's better off being Tippett's fourth-line whipping boy than he is being BMOC for Lamb with the 'Runners.

 

[_Del_]

The thing is, it isn't what we want. It's the reasoning they use. There's no way they can say his play justifies being sent down, but that is what they will say.

It doesn't pay to be young and play for DT.

Exactly this. It's far better to be in the AHL than bring Turrised into a 4th line role in the NHL. It'd probably be better still to just not be Turrised. But the fact they dumped NHL depth because they "wanted to make room" for Strome and Dvo, then consistently scratch Strome, Dvorak centers one of the best lines on the ice when given an opportunity and is rewarded with more fourth line minutes and then demoted, then recalled jerked around the lineup, then demoted again. We now have no other center depth other than Dvo and Strome, so Martinook is converted back to center. Strome still looks to be a scratch. Do they have Chipchura's number on speed dial? Dave Moss? He was an emergency center. Maybe Halpern is in game shape. Can't be slower than Doan this year.

I'm with XX now. There is no plan. They're winging it. Nothing about Tippett and development has changed.

 

[Hinterland]

Exactly this. It's far better to be in the AHL than bring Turrised into a 4th line role in the NHL. It'd probably be better still to just not be Turrised. But the fact they dumped NHL depth because they "wanted to make room" for Strome and Dvo, then consistently scratch Strome, Dvorak centers one of the best lines on the ice when given an opportunity and is rewarded with more fourth line minutes and then demoted, then recalled jerked around the lineup, then demoted again. We now have no other center depth other than Dvo and Strome, so Martinook is converted back to center. Strome still looks to be a scratch. Do they have Chipchura's number on speed dial? Dave Moss? He was an emergency center. Maybe Halpern is in game shape. Can't be slower than Doan this year.

I'm with XX now. There is no plan. They're winging it. Nothing about Tippett and development has changed.

100% agreed

 

[Hinterland]

I'm good with it. Dvorak needs to be getting a hell of a lot more ice time than Tippett is giving him and he might as well get it in Tucson where they're actually capable of winning games, it seems.

I don't think for a second he's better off being Tippett's fourth-line whipping boy than he is being BMOC for Lamb with the 'Runners.

More? He must have averaged about 16min per game and his line was the best in almost every period he played. It's not possible to give him more minutes. 16 is already a lot to handle for a rookie.
Dvorak proved that he's ready to take over as a top6 Centerman. I was okay with Martinook playing Center in Hanzal's absence but there's no reason why Martinook should continue to play Center now Hanzal is back.

I totally agree what others posted here. Tippett has gone bonkers. The management does everything to create rosterspots for Dvorak and Strome but all Tippetts does is to switch Martinook to Center. Pure facepalm.

I get why they're not playing Strome. They just can't as otherwise the clock would continue to tick. I'd send Strome down...if nothing else he could at least play games and learn how to win down there...something that's hard to do under Tippett.

Dvorak is completely different though. He's only impressed so far. He wasn't alway flashy but he was solid in all zones and made very few mistakes.

 

[SniperHF]

If you take the premise that Tippett is the problem with development at the NHL level, where then can you find the upside for Dvorak being in the AHL?

Because I see Dvorak as ready to learn at the NHL level and if you're complaining about him getting cut minutes you probably think the same. I do believe RT was one of the lone exceptions to this thinking Dvorak should be in the A all along so that doesn't apply to most of the rest of you . Meaning you actually think Dvorak should be in the NHL getting minutes and only agree with sending him down because he isn't getting them.

So is he going to go to the AHL and radically improve his game to the point of being accepted as a top 9 center by Tippett in 4/5ths of a season at the AHL level? 2 seasons? I'm just not buying it. The things Dvorak needs to get better at are only going to come from playing in the show.

 

[TheLegend]

Well if he gets called back up in a week I'm thinking of re-titling the thread to "Dvorak's Uber Log"

 

[SniperHF]

I wouldn't object

It would also double has a Hanzal injury tracker.

 

[AZviaNJ]

See you in 2 weeks Dvo!

 

[_Del_]

The things Dvorak needs to get better at are only going to come from playing in the show.

I mostly agree with this, but I don't want to see him shoehorned into a 4th line role like Tippett did with Turris after deciding Turris was not a top6 center. The AHL stint probably won't help much, but at least he's getting minutes and presumably retaining confidence. The healthy scratch, two shifts in the top six, three games as a 4c route is worse, imo. Tippett clearly has no intention of giving either Dvorak or Srome regular game play in the top six. The more things change, the more they stay the same.

 

[Heldig]

Considering the team is dead last it should be apparent to the ownership that Tippett's way of doing things is not working (nor has it worked for about 5 years). Look at Toronto and how they are doing things. A very young team, all the young guns are being given prime playing time, and are often the best players on the ice for the Leafs. I would argue the Coyotes have a better group of veterans to help the young core along. We just have a coach that doesn't like players to learn on the job (even if he replaces them with someone that cant do the job as well).

Before the season began there were indications the Coyotes were going to go with a young and talented lineup. They signed a couple veteran guys to help in the transition but DT just cant go all the way.

And this is not to suggest the team should only have youth. I love that the AHL affiliate team is actually good. That is good for development. Keep the next wave there for the year - McInnis, Perlini, Fischer, Garland, Wood etc.

I just think they need to commit to the core young guns (Domi, Duclair, Dylan Strome, Dvorak, DeAngelo...) and develop over the course of this year. At least it would be exciting to watch and create hope for the future. Right now it is just annoying to see our most talented players flounder.

 

[SniperHF]

The AHL stint probably won't help much, but at least he's getting minutes and presumably retaining confidence.

So it's more of a "don't break him" situation in your eyes and hope something changes later? Cause we might as well move him now for whatever we can get

I do agree though that the plans around here are very underpantsgnomian.

Strome Plan:
1. Don't play
2. ???
3. Be awesome NHL player


Dvorak Plan:
1. Dominate the AHL
2. ???
3. Be awesome NHL player

Seems like if we get a Chychrun or a Domi who's just good things work out, otherwise we have issues.

Of course there are certainly examples of players who went to the AHL and came back better for it. I just don't think Dvorak is one of those guys. OEL learning the NA game? Yeah. Boedker being ruined with bad habits due to rushing into the league and needing to break those? Yep. Or looking outside the organization at say Drouin who had both some injury recovery issues and maturing to do. Yep.

I just don't see any of those types of things the AHL is good for really mattering for Dvorak much, which is why I objected to it the first time.

 

[kihekah19*]

I thought the prevailing attitude around here was that having the AHL club in Tucson was a good thing, so players could move up and down?