The Biggest Disappointments... Teams "DEAD TO ME"

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My dad came to Canada in the 70s and became a canadiens fan.

I followed suit. I don't really have a 2nd team but it's hard to watch other games if you don't have a rooting interest.

Usually, when the playoffs start, I'll start cheering for other teams too depending on the matchup. I usually pull for the underdog stories.
 

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Being born and raised a few blocks away from the Spectrum in Philly, I was a Flyers fan since birth. It was right smack-dab in the beginning of the Broad Street Bully Cup era and both of my parents were Flyers die-hards. I bled orange and black since birth but my obsession for hockey history made me fall in love both the Leafs and Canadiens as a little kid. My mom used to read to me from the bright yellow cover of the "Pro Hockey Heroes of Today" book from 1974 and all those stories of the legends captivated me.

When I turned 10 or so, my favorite teams were:

1. Flyers
2. Canadiens
3. Maple Leafs

Then in the mid-80's I formed a soft spot for the Quebec Nordiques, mainly due to their gorgeous uniforms, cool ice, and the Stastny brothers. So I cheered for those 4 teams from then on.

Then in 1992, I visited Canada for the first time in my life. Went to Montreal and visited the Forum. It was the year the Habs won the Cup. Ironically, it was also the year the Flyers traded for Eric Lindros, which was very exciting. Especially since I loved the Nordiques as well. That was also the year the Leafs moved up right behind the Flyers as my sentimental favorite because I absolutely loved the way Wendel Clark and Dougie Gilmour played the game. I also loved many of the legendary Leafs, especially Salming, Sittler, and Keon. I was irate when the Leafs and Habs didn't face each other for the Cup!

That 1992-93 season was my all-time favorite season in hockey. All four of my favorite teams were exciting... especially my Flyers who landed Lindros.

From that moment on, for me it was...

1. Flyers
2. Leafs
3. Nordiques/Habs (tie)

... and the Canucks and Sabres were added to my favorites, mainly because of Pavel Bure and Alex Mogilny. I always loved the Canucks uniforms going back to the "Flying V" and tweener "Electric Skate"... as well as the Sabres royal and gold unis. I rooted for those teams (in that order) until the Nords move to Colorado. I still loved the players but I was absolutely furious that they left Le Colisee.

Recently, this is where the OP's "dead to me" really started to resonate. The Flyers were my team through thick and thin. I would literally never miss a Flyers game unless it was for a funeral or wedding. I lived and died with the Flyers until Mr. Snider passed and Comcast sunk its fangs into the team and their venom poisoned my love for the organization. After years of resenting Comcast and their cold, corporate, and incompetent destruction of my favorite team, I began to hate them before apathy crept in. I went from never missing a game on TV to turning away FREE 1st level seats.

This was in 2019 and that's when the Leafs became my favorite team. Behind them were the Avs. I still have a soft spot for the Habs (and hope they return to greatness) but I don't tune into their games as much these days. For me, the Leafs and Avs are my must-watch teams, followed by the Canucks and Sabres.

However, once Keith Jones and Danny Briere officially stepped in this summer, my apathy for the Flyers started to dissipate little by little. Then they drafted Michkov (who I absolutely love as a player!) While the Leafs are still my favorite team today, the Flyers are creeping back in, and I'm rekindling my love for my all-time favorite team. I am a Torts fan and I admire the way the Flyers battle and play with heart this year... reminds me of the mid-80's teams without the high-end skill. I've watched more Flyers games this season than the last 2+ seasons combined. And I went to my first game in forever Saturday night vs. the Sens.

Right now, my order is:

1. Leafs
2. Avs/Flyers
3 A/B. Sabres/Canucks
5. Habs
 
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Lol.

He had more game-winning goals than Gretzky, Yzerman, Iginla, Crosby, Lafleur... only 8 players ever scored more.

The lack of cups isnt justly on the shoulders of the team's star. Marleau was 5 times voted "fan favorite" by season ticket holders. Only 14 players over 30+ franchises ever had more fan support. #1 was Bourque, of course, who won it most years. He is the gold standard of fan support. #2 is Shane Doan.

GWG doesnt measure someones clutchness. Especially not during the regular season. This is just a horrible argument...
 
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I’ve never had a real “second team,” but I used to have a soft spot for the Quebec Nordiques back in the day. I guess that “died” when they moved.
I would still like to see Montreal do well again, but after 1993 the shine has gone off that franchise. They just aren't interesting to me unless they promote French-Canadian players, as I think they should do again. They're just another corporate, bland, boring franchise now (and not a particularly good one, at that).

So, those clubs that I used to cheer for are all kind of dead to me, although I would love to see Montreal do well again someday (preferably with more French-Canadian stars).
I’m a second generation American and third generation Bruins fan with very deep roots in Quebec going back to the 1640s. Whilest I detest the Canadiens with the utmost severity, I can’t help but respect their history and what that team has meant to the people of Quebec over their (the Canadiens’) history.

The Canadiens’ ties to the province kind of make them stand out in a way that no other franchise does. The bond with the French Canadians is probably downplayed today because Habs management doesn’t want to alienate other fans who may come from other backgrounds. As an American outsider looking in, I can’t know that for sure, but that’s my guess.

Interesting take, @The Panther.
 
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I was a Habs fan until Dryden retired and Langway went to Washington?

I was an Edmonton fan until Messier, Kurri, Tikkanen left the building...

I am always a Canucks fan but was strongly against the putrid coaching and goaltending for years back then, AFTER TRADING LINDEN **** THAT, until Burke won the draft by snagging the Sedins and later Luongo came on board.

San Jose became dead to me once Marleau left. Sorry.

Buffalo I always had a soft spot given the French Connection legacy, Peca, Hasek,... then... suddenly wtf? ... nothing to root for, roots not deep enough to stick...

Another team i had high hopes for was the Predators. But instead of retaining and building around Suter-Weber, they let Suter go to Minnesota and Weber to Montreal, their goalie left out to dry, the team in shambles... my early pro-Preds hype turned sour.
When did you stop being a Red Wings fan?
 

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As a kid in the 70s, the Habs, Leafs and Bruins were larger than life. My Dad had been a Leafs fan for years when I started watching with him, and the Bruins with Bobby Orr and the Habs with Guy LaFleur were the first teams/players I really noticed, and LaFleur quickly became my favorite player, which cemented me as a Habs fan during their Dynasty run, and as my Dad was a Leafs guy, they slotted into second place. I barely noticed my home team Canucks until I started collecting hockey cards in 78, and by the end of the 82 run I was a hopeless homer for life. I think because of Ballard's antics, the Leafs started to fall by the wayside for my Dad, and he picked up on the Canucks and the Oilers, which still seem to be equal favorites for him to this day. I was a big fan of the Triple Crown line, so the Kings were big for me for a few years. I started to lose the Habs around the same time, and I was done with them forever with the controversy around LaFleur's retirement. The Nordiques were one of the flashiest teams in the league, and they emerged as a strong #2 when I started cheering for them against Montreal. I stayed with them through their move to Denver, and I'd say the Avalanche has stayed #2 throughout my life, although I barely pay any attention to them any more because I don't have the mental bandwidth to follow more than one team anymore.

82ish-88ish was the peak of my hockey fandom: I was a card collector, Hockey News subscriber, and for a few years the cable we subscribed to in our town gave us TSN, BCTV Vancouver, CKY Winnipeg, CHCH Hamilton and ITV Edmonton, so, like today with Sportsnet, we could watch hockey every day, so during this time period I developed secondary interests in a number of teams, including the Jets, North Stars, Devils and Rangers. When the Wings drafted Yzerman, I started following them, and I became a bigger fan with their run under Demers, and they probably slid into the #3 spot until Yzerman retired. Even though Jari Kurri was one of my favorite players, and I resepcted Gretzky, I had this weird thing about hating the Oilers and wanting them to be beat, I think because, looking at it now, I always want to see the top guy get his ass handed to him, because I realize I have had this same attitude toward Crosby and McDavid, too. Because of this, I cheered for the Flames and Flyers against the Oilers, but lost interest in them by the late 80s. Most of the teams dropped off by the early 90s, but the Larionov/Makarov playoff run with the Sharks, and the 96 run by the Panthers, made these two teams secondary interests in the 90s.

After the 04-05 lockout, I really haven't followed any team other than the Canucks. There was a very low ebb in my Canucks fandom due to the Messier debacle, and by the late 90s until Pettersson joined the Canucks, I was only watching a handful of games a year in some years. I got hooked on reading the HoH board years ago because nostalgia for the 70s-90s hockey I grew up with was more interesting to me than actually watching the late DPE/Cap era product. I think the last few years have been the most exciting hockey since the mid 90s.
 

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I don't know if there is ever a team that is "dead" to me so much. Because most of the time I will just be apathetic to a team I have no connection with. But over the years I haven't liked certain things teams have done, or how they treated people. Here is an example of the teams that disgusted me with how they handled things:

Flyers - Roger Neilson was not treated well by them when he had cancer. Bobby Clarke's foolish "we didn't TELL him to get cancer" interview was worse. Kate Smith is an example of someone can have deep roots with the team and be thrown under the bus and cancelled in the drop of a hat - decades after her death.

Leafs - I like the Leafs, but I hated how they treated Sundin back in 2008 when he didn't waive his no-trade clause. He had earned the right to be a Leaf until he retired. This was all on John Ferguson Jr. who is among the worst GMs in NHL history who was handing out no-trade clauses like cracker jacks.

Habs - The way they handled Patrick Roy and took the side of a clown like Mario Tremblay is probably still haunting them to this day. Without Roy they have a 45 year Cup drought, and even with him they still haven't done anything of note since he left. I'd have fired Tremblay on the spot over letting Roy go.

There is more, but off the top of my head that's it for now.
 

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I was a Habs fan until Dryden retired and Langway went to Washington?

I was an Edmonton fan until Messier, Kurri, Tikkanen left the building...

I am always a Canucks fan but was strongly against the putrid coaching and goaltending for years back then, AFTER TRADING LINDEN **** THAT, until Burke won the draft by snagging the Sedins and later Luongo came on board.

San Jose became dead to me once Marleau left. Sorry.

Buffalo I always had a soft spot given the French Connection legacy, Peca, Hasek,... then... suddenly wtf? ... nothing to root for, roots not deep enough to stick...

Another team i had high hopes for was the Predators. But instead of retaining and building around Suter-Weber, they let Suter go to Minnesota and Weber to Montreal, their goalie left out to dry, the team in shambles... my early pro-Preds hype turned sour.

So basically you're a bandwagon fan?

Also you realize Nashville made the finals for the first and only time in franchise history... after Suter went to Minnesota and Weber was traded.
 
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Yeah I don't get the team hopping thing. I've always just rooted for the local teams - through the lows and the highs. Hopping on a bandwagon for me would feel hollow.

A few years ago I decided to root for another team other than the Washington football team - because the owner was a complete scumbag. So I tried to find the worst team in the NFL, come in at rock bottom, and then I wouldn't feel bandwagonish about it.

I selected the Browns. Then they went 11-5 (lol) and I just couldn't do it.

Luckily the Commanders miraculously threw off their owner and I'm able to root for my childhood team again.
 

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I am always a Habs and Canucks fan (an angry Canucks for a while there) and Caps dan since 1982.

Other teams i have fav players to watch.

A bandwagon fan cheers for a team BECAUSE they are doing well. That is not what i do.

I dont care that the Preds did better with Josi, Ellis and Eckholm ... i was a huge fan of Weber and Suter! I cheered for their success.

To be able to watch live hockey any day of the week, one needs to follow more than one team. I don't choose the ones doing well but the ones with my fav players.
 
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I am always a Habs and Canucks fan (an angry Canucks for a while there) and Caps dan since 1982.

Other teams i have fav players to watch.

A bandwagon fan cheers for a team BECAUSE they are doing well. That is not what i do.

I dont care that the Preds did better with Josi, Ellis and Eckholm ... i was a huge fan of Weber and Suter! I cheered for their success.

To be able to watch live hockey any day of the week, one needs to follow more than one team. I don't choose the ones doing well but the ones with my fav players.

You literally said you stopped being an Edmonton fan once Mess, Kurri and Tikkanen left (aka three of their best players, so it was obvious they would start the suck and no longer be a cup contender). If you stop cheering for a team once they are no longer good, that's also qualifies as being a bandwagon fan. Likewise when they Canucks traded Linden, sucked but then got good once they had the Twins and Luongo.

To be honest I never understood the concept of being a fan of 3 or 4 teams. That's different than "following" said teams.
 

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I remember Nashville from their inaugural season, because we were there in Tennessee and caught a few games. I'm not sure how many people here on HOH can say they saw the Predators live in Nashville in 1998–99, but I was never a fan, we just happened to know someone in close enough proximity (Knoxville, almost a 3 hour drive). Prominent players on this team, Patric Kjellberg, Sergei Krivokrasov and Mike Dunham, so fairly unglamorous.

Ironically enough this team also had Cliff Ronning, whom I was well aware of from the early 90s Canucks, but I don't remember much of him from any of the games, I guess he must have been way too busy floating in the neutral zone.

As for being a fan of multiple teams, there are various levels of fandom. I think saying you can only cheer for your local team is equal nativism to saying you can only cheer for your country or national team.

Ironically enough a lot of the most 'hardcore' fans, or ultras, aren't even much well-versed in the actual sport(s), but only use the venue as an umbrella for various other type of activities (drinking, shouting, socialising, outlet for violence, et cetera, crime I guess as well).
 
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Ironically enough a lot of the most 'hardcore' fans, or ultras, aren't even much well-versed in the actual sport(s), but only use the venue as an umbrella for various other type of activities (drinking, shouting, socialising, outlet for violence, et cetera, crime I guess as well).
That make sense, the more you know something the less fans related affair are needed to appreciate it, i.e. many people watch high stake Olympic sport but never would otherwise.
 

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In high school you cheered for another high school volleyball team because your cousin was on it. When your cousin graduated, you stop watching them!

You also attended your bud's soccer games and cheered them to victory and shared the agony of their defeat. Your bud moved away but you like other players and you keep watching them as a longterm fan.

The former is how and how long I became a Sharks fan (fav prospect Marleau), the latter is how I became and remain a Caps fan (fav Habs dman Langway).
 

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Was a Sabre fan since before I could remember. Barrasso was my favorite player and when they dealt him to Pittsburgh I was pretty ticked off. I started following the Penguins and they were just hitting their stride winning championships with Lemieux, Stevens, Coffey, Barrasso, Jagr, etc., so they were pretty exciting to watch.

Meanwhile Buffalo kept trading away guys I liked (Housley, Turgeon, Mogilny) and I soured on them and became even more of a Penguins fan. Penguins have been clear number one since about 1990 or so but I still have Buffalo as 1B. Even in the late 90's with Hasek and the couple of years after the lockout when the Sabres were good, they never regained top status with me. It has been Pittsburgh.

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No teams are "dead" to me; and I haven't had a favourite team for decades.

I do have favourite players who I enjoy watching. And I like to watch talented players, and good teams, and well-coached teams, etc.

I have never cheered for my country (Team Canada) in international play.
 
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To be honest I never understood the concept of being a fan of 3 or 4 teams.
I think I understand what you're saying but I can easily see how people can be a fan of multiple teams. For starters, why does someone become a "fan" of any team to begin with? For some, it's territorial. You cheer for your hometown team because that's what you're supposed to do... it's what your family and friends do... and it's kind of expected. This is great and all, but how about if you move multiple times and end up liking the teams in your new town?

For others, they simply become attached to a team's uniforms, a certain player who they enjoy watching, or a playoff run that they admire. This seems to be very commonplace, especially in the modern climate where star players are often mercenaries and jump ship multiple times. Long gone are the days where you only had 24/7 access to your local team. Today, you can watch every team, every night. So it's a lot easier to become attracted to the way other teams perform.

I've also seen a shift in allegiances among people I know (of all ages but mostly 40-under) due to the overly corporate, and sometimes cold and incompetent way their "favorite team" is being run. This is one of the main reasons why so many fans ultimately abandon their teams and become attracted to new players and teams. Once you feel the team "no longer cares about you... the fans"... it becomes very easy to become apathetic. I've seen this first-hand with many lifelong Flyers die-hards... even ones like myself who supported them and packed the building during those God awful, pre-Lindros years.

Once a team prices the average fan out of the building, makes horrible moves, sells off their best players, and becomes incompetent and mediocre for a decade+... they honestly deserve to lose fans. It was much different when family owners ran the teams and fans were considered family. Loyalty and commitment are a two-way street. Let's face it: corporatism eventually ruins everything for the common person. Pro sports is no different.
 

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Once a team prices the average fan out of the building, makes horrible moves, sells off their best players, and becomes incompetent and mediocre for a decade+... they honestly deserve to lose fans. It was much different when family owners ran the teams and fans were considered family. Loyalty and commitment are a two-way street. Let's face it: corporatism eventually ruins everything for the common person. Pro sports is no different.

Yeah, IMO it's a weird thing with a league (and its teams) like this (or modern sports in general) being so overly in-your-face corporate, and then expecting their fans to be loyal to death. It almost reminds me of an abusive relationship. Obviously, like any healthy relationship it should be a two-way street.

Sports clubs aren't even called clubs anymore, they're called "franchises" as if it's a McDonald's restaurant or something, and the league is run by lawyers.

And 50+% of the fan discourse nowadays is all about the cap and contracts, and about the cap and multi-million $ contracts, and about the cap and contracts...
 

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Yeah, IMO it's a weird thing with a league (and its teams) like this (or modern sports in general) being so overly in-your-face corporate, and then expecting their fans to be loyal to death. It almost reminds me of an abusive relationship. Obviously, like any healthy relationship it should be a two-way street.

Sports clubs aren't even called clubs anymore, they're called "franchises" as if it's a McDonald's restaurant or something, and the league is run by lawyers.

And 50+% of the fan discourse nowadays is all about the cap and contracts, and about the cap and multi-million $ contracts, and about the cap and contracts...
You said it!

The cultural connection between a club and its community is a great thing, and is the tribal essence of fandom. One reason I continue to feel connected to the Edmonton Oilers is that the hockey club's role and status in the community has never really changed.

And yes, the fans' utter obsession with salaries is bizarre to me.
 
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