The Advanced Stats Thread Episode VI: RIP To Our Databases

[silverfish]

@silverfish interesting.

I though Ulf would have been a solid HC candidate as well. Interested to see how he and Arniel do away from AV

Are you fully onboard with Keefe? Seems like he may be the number 1 guy based on what Gorton is saying he is looking for

What do we know about Keefe besides he's running with a stacked Marlies team in the AHL? He's the coaching version of Greenway. I'd imagine the Rangers could be potentially more in on him as they're probably familiar with him while they were keeping tabs on Halverson.

Keefe also has a lot of off-ice history that doesn't really fit the mold with the Rangers, but perhaps that is less of an issue now that he's back in the spotlight.

I suppose where there is smoke, there is fire. I wouldn't be disappointed with a Keefe hiring, but I'd be cautious.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Keefe also has a lot of off-ice history that doesn't really fit the mold with the Rangers, but perhaps that is less of an issue now that he's back in the spotlight.

I suppose where there is smoke, there is fire. I wouldn't be disappointed with a Keefe hiring, but I'd be cautious.

Yeah I feel somewhat similar. The fact that it sounds like they want someone new is good.

I’d be curious to see if the bring in Keefe, if they also start to build some sort of analytics team with him.

Dubas liking tweets about Keefe being the next coach is pretty funny though

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

What do we know about Keefe besides he's running with a stacked Marlies team in the AHL? He's the coaching version of Greenway. I'd imagine the Rangers could be potentially more in on him as they're probably familiar with him while they were keeping tabs on Halverson.

Keefe also has a lot of off-ice history that doesn't really fit the mold with the Rangers, but perhaps that is less of an issue now that he's back in the spotlight.

I suppose where there is smoke, there is fire. I wouldn't be disappointed with a Keefe hiring, but I'd be cautious.

I think Keefe makes sense if they’re trying to keep a competitive environment to develop the young core they’re trying to build since that’s basically what he’s doing now at a lower level

 

[silverfish]

Dubas liking tweets about Keefe being the next coach is pretty funny though

Saw that. Probably trolling?

I wish one of the beat reporters grew a sack and asked Gorton today about how AV thought about analytics and if he anticipates hiring a more... open-minded coach... but our beat.

I think Keefe makes sense if they’re trying to keep a competitive environment to develop the young core they’re trying to build since that’s basically what he’s doing now at a lower level

Sure. Keefe would be far from a bad hiring. I have no idea what a good hire is right now, though, as the days go on, I lose more and more respect for people who are actually in the "hockey world".

Cynical off-season mode activated.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Saw that. Probably trolling?

I wish one of the beat reporters grew a sack and asked Gorton today about how AV thought about analytics and if he anticipates hiring a more... open-minded coach... but our beat.



Sure. Keefe would be far from a bad hiring. I have no idea what a good hire is right now, though, as the days go on, I lose more and more respect for people who are actually in the "hockey world".

Cynical off-season mode activated.

I’m glad you’re mentioning Keefe being given loaded teams because people keep overlooking it.

 

[silverfish]

I’m glad you’re mentioning Keefe being given loaded teams because people keep overlooking it.

I mean, even ignoring the skaters, look at what Garrett Sparks is doing for this guy.

 

[silverfish]

Scraping the PBP for this season and putting together a final player-movement chart for the year. RIP my computer.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

Kovalchuk, Ilya.

Thoughts? Or wait for contract details before making a judgement..

 

[silverfish]

When your scrape dies with 100 games remaining and you have to restart it from the beginning. Love that.

Kovalchuk, Ilya.

Thoughts? Or wait for contract details before making a judgement..

Want to wait and see if it's two years or three years, exact AAV, and I want to see what Nash signs for whenever/wherever he signs.

But overall, I'm pretty jacked up about it. That dude can still game.

EDIT - Everything below here happened after Bozle liked this post.

KZB
Kovalchuk - Hayes - Zuccarello (yo, what a line)
Namestnikov - Chytil - Andersson
Lettieri - Schaller - Fast

Klefbom - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Pionk (barf at this pairing)
Gilmour - Smith
Kampfer

Hank
Gorgeous

That's not bad. Need to get creative and add one more very solid RD. Kovalchuk essentially replaces the $6.5m AAV I had lined up for JvR. This lineup should have roughly $6m of cap to play with. If we can sign Nash 3@$4m AAV and plug him into Andersson's spot, that'd be solid. Or, it allows us to dish Hayes for a top-flight RD, and move Andersson and Chytil onto their own lines. Best way to protect the kids at center is to stack the wing.

Ignoring Kreider and Buch, we still have Nash, Kovalchuk, Zucc, and Namenstnikov to round out the middle-6.

Could be worse.

But I suppose we should wait and see who wins the cup this year as that will dictate the "what every team needs narrative" in the off-season.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If Kovalchuk does sign, I would be surprised if Zucc is still here by camp

Which makes me sad

 

[1Knee1T]

When your scrape dies with 100 games remaining and you have to restart it from the beginning. Love that.


Want to wait and see if it's two years or three years, exact AAV, and I want to see what Nash signs for whenever/wherever he signs.

But overall, I'm pretty jacked up about it. That dude can still game.

EDIT - Everything below here happened after Bozle liked this post.

KZB
Kovalchuk - Hayes - Zuccarello (yo, what a line)
Namestnikov - Chytil - Andersson
Lettieri - Schaller - Fast

Klefbom - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Pionk (barf at this pairing)
Gilmour - Smith
Kampfer

Hank
Gorgeous

That's not bad. Need to get creative and add one more very solid RD. Kovalchuk essentially replaces the $6.5m AAV I had lined up for JvR. This lineup should have roughly $6m of cap to play with. If we can sign Nash 3@$4m AAV and plug him into Andersson's spot, that'd be solid. Or, it allows us to dish Hayes for a top-flight RD, and move Andersson and Chytil onto their own lines. Best way to protect the kids at center is to stack the wing.

Ignoring Kreider and Buch, we still have Nash, Kovalchuk, Zucc, and Namenstnikov to round out the middle-6.

Could be worse.

But I suppose we should wait and see who wins the cup this year as that will dictate the "what every team needs narrative" in the off-season.

If Vegas wins, do we fold the franchise and re-enter as an expansion team?

 

[silverfish]

All 31:

 

[DanielBrassard]

When your scrape dies with 100 games remaining and you have to restart it from the beginning. Love that.


Want to wait and see if it's two years or three years, exact AAV, and I want to see what Nash signs for whenever/wherever he signs.

But overall, I'm pretty jacked up about it. That dude can still game.

EDIT - Everything below here happened after Bozle liked this post.

KZB
Kovalchuk - Hayes - Zuccarello (yo, what a line)
Namestnikov - Chytil - Andersson
Lettieri - Schaller - Fast

Klefbom - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Pionk (barf at this pairing)
Gilmour - Smith
Kampfer

Hank
Gorgeous

That's not bad. Need to get creative and add one more very solid RD. Kovalchuk essentially replaces the $6.5m AAV I had lined up for JvR. This lineup should have roughly $6m of cap to play with. If we can sign Nash 3@$4m AAV and plug him into Andersson's spot, that'd be solid. Or, it allows us to dish Hayes for a top-flight RD, and move Andersson and Chytil onto their own lines. Best way to protect the kids at center is to stack the wing.

Ignoring Kreider and Buch, we still have Nash, Kovalchuk, Zucc, and Namenstnikov to round out the middle-6.

Could be worse.

But I suppose we should wait and see who wins the cup this year as that will dictate the "what every team needs narrative" in the off-season.

Trade Pionk, Howden, and 2 1sts for Karlsson. Solid RD, could play on the top pair. Seriously though, McKenzie continues to suggest the Rangers are going to look at Karlsson at the draft, so who knows.

 

[silverfish]

Trade Pionk, Howden, and 2 1sts for Karlsson. Solid RD, could play on the top pair. Seriously though, McKenzie continues to suggest the Rangers are going to look at Karlsson at the draft, so who knows.

People would complain that our RDs are too one-dimensional if we had Karlsson and Shattenkirk

 

[DanielBrassard]

People would complain that our RDs are too one-dimensional if we had Karlsson and Shattenkirk

Who really cares lol. Anyone who would make that complaint is an idiot quite frankly.

 

[Bob Richards]

People would complain that our RDs are too one-dimensional if we had Karlsson and Shattenkirk

Honestly people can go f*** themselves. I’d slap box a polar bear for that right side depth.

 

[SA16]

When your scrape dies with 100 games remaining and you have to restart it from the beginning. Love that.


Want to wait and see if it's two years or three years, exact AAV, and I want to see what Nash signs for whenever/wherever he signs.

But overall, I'm pretty jacked up about it. That dude can still game.

EDIT - Everything below here happened after Bozle liked this post.

KZB
Kovalchuk - Hayes - Zuccarello (yo, what a line)
Namestnikov - Chytil - Andersson
Lettieri - Schaller - Fast

Klefbom - Shattenkirk
Skjei - Pionk (barf at this pairing)
Gilmour - Smith
Kampfer

Hank
Gorgeous

That's not bad. Need to get creative and add one more very solid RD. Kovalchuk essentially replaces the $6.5m AAV I had lined up for JvR. This lineup should have roughly $6m of cap to play with. If we can sign Nash 3@$4m AAV and plug him into Andersson's spot, that'd be solid. Or, it allows us to dish Hayes for a top-flight RD, and move Andersson and Chytil onto their own lines. Best way to protect the kids at center is to stack the wing.

Ignoring Kreider and Buch, we still have Nash, Kovalchuk, Zucc, and Namenstnikov to round out the middle-6.

Could be worse.

But I suppose we should wait and see who wins the cup this year as that will dictate the "what every team needs narrative" in the off-season.

What made up put Lettieri on there? Thought you didn’t like his game.

 

[silverfish]

What made up put Lettieri on there? Thought you didn’t like his game.

He cheap. I need to scour the FA market a bit more, but I don't see a ton of > $1m AAV talent out there worth of my team besides Schaller.

 

[Machinehead]

Now that the matchups are set, I can do my little project of completing a bracket based solely on the composite rankings of three different team analytics.

TEAM	CF%	xGF%	K	AVG
NSH	9th	14th	3rd	12th
COL	27th	28th	13th	23rd
WPG	5th	10th	2nd	6th
MIN	29th	1st	6th	12th
VGK	12th	16th	7th	12th
LAK	16th	23rd	9th	16th
ANA	22nd	22nd	5th	16th
SJS	13th	10th	14th	12th
TBL	7th	6th	1st	3rd
NJD	21st	18th	15th	17th
BOS	2nd	3rd	10th	3rd
TOR	17th	13th	4th	11th
WSH	24th	25th	16th	18th
CBJ	8th	9th	18th	12th
PIT	5th	7th	12th	8th
PHI	18th	17th	11th	15th

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

So we take the "AVG" column and whoever scores higher wins the series. If tied, I went to decimal points.

Here's what the bracket looks like...

Disclaimer: this is not MY prediction, I just want to see how this bracket does.

Quick takeaway: Washington and Colorado are f***ing awful hockey teams and if they win their first round series, I f***ing quit.

Possible limitation: Tampa vs Boston will be a nuclear war and the numbers can't take into account how tired the winner will be (and other misc things like injuries) but I wanted to stick to the numbers.

 

[Irishguy42]

Just catching up on everything from Gorton's presser/interviews today.

Figured I'd ask: What is your folks' take on what Gorton said about analytics on the Michael Kay show?

For reference:

Where does analytics fit: "there is a place for it, we talk a lot about it, look at a lot of different things. Having been someone who scouted for a long time there is still something about an eye test and a feel that comes out but it is nice to look at and see another angle. It's not baseball where it' stoppage after every page. It's continuous, it's hard to listen to analytics 100% but we look at it and try to get every edge that we can."

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Quick takeaway: Washington and Colorado are ****ing awful hockey teams and if they win their first round series, I ****ing quit.

I'd be shocked if Colorado wins 2 games, but I'd be surprised if Columbus beat Washington (either way that series is going to be a snooze fest)

 

[Machinehead]

Just catching up on everything from Gorton's presser/interviews today.

Figured I'd ask: What is your folks' take on what Gorton said about analytics on the Michael Kay show?

For reference:

I think it's fair and about as good as we can expect.

If you don't give a politically correct answer on analytics, the media crucifies you, so even if Gorton were going full blown into analytics (not saying he is, of course) he'd still say "they have a place" and mention the eye-test.

I do think he's going to use them to an extent, however, and he didn't give a D-bag answer about "we have muh experience" or lie about having his own sophisticated package.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I'd be shocked if Colorado wins 2 games, but I'd be surprised if Columbus beat Washington (either way that series is going to be a snooze fest)

I think Columbus is built to beat a team like Washington. This might be Trotz' last gasp in DC.

 

[DanielBrassard]

What Gorton said was what is mostly said by most in the NHL world, so I personally don't take much from what he said. If he brings in a coach who involves themselves in analytics past a cursory glance will be a lot more telling to me than anything he says.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

I think Columbus is built to beat a team like Washington. This might be Trotz' last gasp in DC.

I haven't followed them too close this year, but everything I've heard about Columbus has been almost everyone isn't performing like they're expected to besides Panarin pretty much.

And I'm a little weary about Tortorella teams going into the playoffs because they always use up most of their fuel just getting into the playoffs