The 31st pick - value and history
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Beerfish
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I agree, this is certainly the case in the NFL draft as well. There will often be a 'I can't believe this guy is still there, we had him rated 12th overall' type moment for a lot of teams, especially in this draft. It all comes down to the team with the pick (Oilers). If they have that same quote then they will simply make the pick, if not it will be up for grabs.
If the Oilers have any designs on moving up in the draft then this pick will most likely be in play.
If the Oilers have any designs on moving up in the draft then this pick will most likely be in play.
R S
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2nd round picks are all very valuable, as much as people might laugh at that. People joke about the Leafs and how they ended up getting late 1st rounders and that those are basically throw away picks. They aren't.
Even in the draft guide edition of the hockey news they profile the 2nd round and touch on the trending notion that 2nd round picks could be the hottest commodity right now among GM's.
Even in the draft guide edition of the hockey news they profile the 2nd round and touch on the trending notion that 2nd round picks could be the hottest commodity right now among GM's.
The first round being separated from the rest of the Draft only started happening in 2007. So there's not a ton of history there, at least in the context of having an extra night to ponder the decision.
You get a slight advantage having #31 if your intention is to trade it. But the team picking #28 also has all day to work out potential trade scenarios as well. After attending the Draft live last year, there is a ton of lag between picks. And it's not like the team picking #28 only starts fielding trade offers when they're on the clock.
But realistically, teams spend months putting together their lists and having to wait a night shouldn't alter things. Also a first rounder comes with some insurance in that a team can get a compensatory 2nd rounder down the road if the draftee goes unsigned.
Jabba11
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Yes it's true that the 31st overall pick hasn't turn out to be any impact players recently. But, 31st overall in 2008: Jacob Markstrom.
R S
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Who isn't an impact player......
Not hatin, just saying. I am one of his biggest fans, but he still hasn't proven ****.
Freaky Styley
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That doesn't really surprise me.. yes, in most cases 1st round picks turn out to be the best players in the draft but the 2nd round is interesting because it's the best of who is left. It is almost like a fantasy draft.. the obvious guys are going to go in the first round but where you win a pool is in the later rounds. So in the draft being able to identify the sleepers or fallers and being to nab them in the 2nd can be a huge part of an organization's success. Our Avs have done pretty well in the 2nd round in recent history so I always like getting a few 2nd rounders
R S
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Stammer Time*
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It was a bad trade by Feaster, but it was made a year before the 2008 Draft. He probably thought he was giving up a pick in the middle of the 2nd round, possibly late in the 2nd round if he thought Tampa would be contending for a division title. The year before Atlanta won the division and Washington hadn't yet broken out.
Vinner
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That's mostly Leaf hate. Trolling Leaf fans is enjoyed by all fan bases.
Joey Moss
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Since 2008 there's been a few decent players picked there though. I trust the Oilers scouting staff to pick the right player at 31. Last year it was between Marincin and Pitlick and both are doing just fine, expected to be decent NHL players.
There's always going to be someone who falls out of the 1st round, and usually those players turn out pretty good. Amazingly they're hardly ever picked at the 31 spot..
it might be Burke hate. Too lazy to look it up but I think he has traded his 2nd round pick more often than he actually used it to pick someone.
YEGJuniorFan
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there really hasnt been an impact player picked 31st overall in the last ten years (Markstrom could change that), but Derek Roy and Dave Bolland both went 32nd
Vancouver
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1998 - Artem Chubarov (Burke had just been hired a week before, so it's tough to imagine he had a ton of input on the draft process)
1999 - traded to Avs for coach Marc Crawford
2000 - Had two picks, traded own pick for 2001 pick, traded another for Devils prospect Vadim Sharifijanov
2001 - Had three picks, traded for Drake Berehowsky, traded with Adrian Aucoin for Dan Cloutier, traded for Alex Auld
2002 - Had two picks, selected Kirill Kolstov and Denis Grot
2003 - Marc-Andre Bernier
2004 - Traded for Johan Hedberg
Anaheim
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2005 - Had two picks, drafted Brendan Mikkelson with one, traded the other for Todd Fedoruk
2006 - Had two picks, drafted Bryce Swan with one, traded the other for Jeff Friesen
2007 - Had three picks, drafted Eric Tangradi with one they got by trading down, traded for George Parros (with pick they got for Vitali Vishnevski), traded their own pick in a package for coach Randy Carlyle
2008 - Used own pick in the Pronger trade, traded down twice for picks #35 and #39 and got Nic Deschamps and Eric O'Dell.
2009 - Traded for Brian Sutherby in 2007
Toronto
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2009 - Acquired two picks via trade, drafted Kenny Ryan and Jesse Blacker
2010 - Reacquired then used own 2nd in the Phil Kessel trade, acquired a pick for Jimmy Hayes and drafted Brad Ross
Obviously not the greatest array of talent brought in, but the teams getting those 2nd rounders generally didn't draft guys who were much better.
Drij
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I dont really see it having an effect....NHL teams make 1 master draft list and they generally pick the next highest guy left on their list...having a whole night to think about it wont make much of a difference as teams have had hours of meetings in preparing their list.
Not technically a trade.
Crawford was still under contract to the Avs, and the Canucks had to give them the pick in return for signing him.
The "history" of any numbered pick is absolutely meaningless. There is no spectre hanging over the kid who gets drafted in that position, whether or not he's a player depends on him, his skillset and the teams ability to develop him.
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Pyrophorus
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Fully developed 2nd rounders of note from 1996-2001(no hype remaining based on "potential".
1996
colin white
matheiu garon
jan bulis
steve begin
matt cullen
cory sarich
dan lacouture
1997
ben clymer
kristian huselius
henrik tallinder
1998
jonathan cheechoo
blair betts
john erskine
ossi vaananen
mike fisher
mike ribeiro
steve moore
1999
alex auld
mike commodore
jordan leopold
adam hall
doug janik
matt carkner
2000
brad winchester
tomas kopecky
kurtis foster
ilya bryzgalov
jarret stoll
andrej lilja
antoine vermette
dan ellis
paul martin
2001
derek roy
tim jackman
fedor tyutin
mike cammalleri
chris thorburn
jason pominville
jason mcclement
peter budaj
Sure, there are a handful of very good players in there. We are talking about a sample of something like, what, 165 picks, or so? Even if you pick out the best seventeen players in the group, there are some duds. That's less than one in ten turning out to be valable NHLers of note. So basically three-ish kids taken in the second round of each draft will end up top six forward or top four defensemen type of value.
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Bryanbryoil
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Agreed, I hate the argument of "well so and so was drafted at #6, here's the guys at #6 the last 15 years, #6 is traditionally a crappy pick". How about you offer a team with the #7 or #8 pick straight up for #6, does anyone honestly believe that they wouldn't accept it because #6 may not have had that great of a history?
