OT: The 2014-2015 Boston Celtics/NBA Thread II

[Gator Mike]

My understanding is they all go away when they go under the cap in the offseason.

No, they don't all go away. Trade exceptions last for one year, regardless of your cap situation. Yes, the won't really be useful if the Celtics are under the cap, but they'll be there if the Celtics are able to acquire a couple of max salary players.

 

[bostonphoenix]

No, they don't all go away. Trade exceptions last for one year, regardless of your cap situation. Yes, the won't really be useful if the Celtics are under the cap, but they'll be there if the Celtics are able to acquire a couple of max salary players.

I believe they have to renounce them to get actual cap space this off season. So they have realistically the trade deadline and the draft to use a majority of it.

 

[CDJ]

For what?

I really don't care.

Brandon Bass to OKC for Kendrick Perkins (his contract) and a 2017 top 10 protected 1st rounder.

Durant will be leaving OKC after 2016 imo, that 2017 pick might fall in the late lottery. Because of this I think they are gonna go for it all these next couple years. They are currently not in the playoffs but they'll make it in now that everybody is healthy. Bass would be useful for them because it gives them a big man off the bench who can space the floor.

 

[jdz]

As far as tanking goes, they have climbed to the 5th worst winning percentage in the NBA. Let's hope they keep that going.

They're not out-tanking the Wolves, Knicks or Sixers this year.

Highest they'll get in the lottery will be 4th most ping pong balls.

Everyone knows the lakers will mysteriously luck into the #1 pick anyway.

 

[Arthur*]

Random question

Like most sane New Englanders, I've paid practically zero attention to the Celtics in the last 24 months, but was curious as to what the general opinion of Brad Stevens is. He came in as the Boy Wonder college coach, but Danny obviously gave him nothing to work with. So is he part of this team's long-term plan, is he going to be the guy when they get on their feet again through the draft or a trade? Or is he just a placefiller who was an intriguing enough hire to attract some eyes for a couple years while they tank and wait for a better option?

 

[13Hockey]

Random question

Like most sane New Englanders, I've paid practically zero attention to the Celtics in the last 24 months, but was curious as to what the general opinion of Brad Stevens is. He came in as the Boy Wonder college coach, but Danny obviously gave him nothing to work with. So is he part of this team's long-term plan, is he going to be the guy when they get on their feet again through the draft or a trade? Or is he just a placefiller who was an intriguing enough hire to attract some eyes for a couple years while they tank and wait for a better option?

I know were not very talented now

But at the start of the year we had decent talent and the Celtics were constantly blowing big leads and couldnt for there lives hold a lead in the 4th or execute in crunch time and the team was giving up 100 plus every night.

I havent been too impressed

 

[jdz]

I know were not very talented now

But at the start of the year we had decent talent and the Celtics were constantly blowing big leads and couldnt for there lives hold a lead in the 4th or execute in crunch time and the team was giving up 100 plus every night.

I havent been too impressed

Stevens is a great offensive coach. Needs a defensive specialist assistant to take the staff to the next level. He will be at the celtics for his contract duration.

Its not his fault the celtics dont have the horses to defend the paint. They need a center with lateral movement and size.

 

[JRull86]

NBA really needs to institute a clause that a team can't have top 3 picks in successive years or something, what the 76ers are doing in pathetic. They were terrible last year, got #3, they aren't even attempting to win games this year, don't reard that ****. Makes the entire product horrible.

 

[EverettMike]

NBA really needs to institute a clause that a team can't have top 3 picks in successive years or something, what the 76ers are doing in pathetic. They were terrible last year, got #3, they aren't even attempting to win games this year, don't reard that ****. Makes the entire product horrible.

I've been saying this for years.

Same with the NHL. (Though in the NBA I think they have the Hardaway/Shaq no back to back overall 1s rule.)

If you get the number 1 pick you can't draft in the top 3 for 3 years.
If you get the number 2 pick you can't draft in the top 3 for 2 years.
If you get the number 3 pick you can't draft in the top 3 for 1 year.

And that's just a modest proposal, I'm sure it can be improved upon or expanded. It would also make it so other teams could potentially be better while still knowing they could have a high draft pick.

 

[Shaun]

just wait until the 76ers trade mcw for 10 2nd round picks.

 

[Gator Mike]

I believe they have to renounce them to get actual cap space this off season. So they have realistically the trade deadline and the draft to use a majority of it.

You know what? You're absolutely right. I misread that part of the web site I use to try and understand the cap and the CBA.

On a related note...

6. The Celtics have a gazillion trade exceptions of varying sizes.

After their flurry of deals over the last two weeks, the Celtics could absorb some extra salaries from teams looking to shed money or work complex trades. (Credit to Marc Stein, who rattled off Boston’s precise trade exception information when I bumped into him Thursday in Santa Cruz. Few people enjoy trade exception minutiae as much as Steiny.)

Boston has been calling around the league over the last week, reminding GMs that Philly isn’t the only team with salary space to rent out as we approach the February 19 trade deadline.

http://grantland.com/the-triangle/13-observations-from-the-d-league-showcase/

 

[CDJ]

More 2nd round picks *****es, time to find the next Gilbert Arenas!

 

[BostonBob]

More 2nd round picks *****es, time to find the next Gilbert Arenas!

Hide your ammo !!!!!!!!!!!

 

[JoeIsAStud]

NBA really needs to institute a clause that a team can't have top 3 picks in successive years or something, what the 76ers are doing in pathetic. They were terrible last year, got #3, they aren't even attempting to win games this year, don't reard that ****. Makes the entire product horrible.

I don't disagree, but come on, how can anyone in a Celtics thread complain about someone else tanking

The team underperformed during the first part of the season, and yet they were very much in contention for the postseason, and honestly I think they were going to make a run at a #6 seed. Despite the few big blown leads they were playing consistent good basketball and developing great chemistry.

Danny didn't want the playoffs, he wanted the high lottery pick, so he tanked as hard as anyone ever has. I know many people on the board are in favor of that tanking.

But let's not sit here and complain about someone else tanking

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I've been saying this for years.

Same with the NHL. (Though in the NBA I think they have the Hardaway/Shaq no back to back overall 1s rule.)

If you get the number 1 pick you can't draft in the top 3 for 3 years.
If you get the number 2 pick you can't draft in the top 3 for 2 years.
If you get the number 3 pick you can't draft in the top 3 for 1 year.

And that's just a modest proposal, I'm sure it can be improved upon or expanded. It would also make it so other teams could potentially be better while still knowing they could have a high draft pick.

Wow, finish last in one of those years where Andrea Bargnarni is the #1 pick, and your team is going to be at the bottom of the league for a decade, with no hope of escaping

 

[EverettMike]

Wow, finish last in one of those years where Andrea Bargnarni is the #1 pick, and your team is going to be at the bottom of the league for a decade, with no hope of escaping

So maybe the team doesn't tank that season. I mean, the idea is to promote trying to win, right? To fix tanking?

I know that basketball is so dependent on having a super star, but how many drafts have nobody that is any good? Or have a LeBron? Most of them are completely in-between. Very rarely is an entire draft completely devoid of a great player, and very rarely do they have a clear cut mega-star.

Draft better. Play better. Be better, all around.

EDIT: My proposal might also promote trading, which is awesome during a draft. If a team says, "Oh **** we hate all these guys," they are more likely to move it so they can roll over a top 3 pick another year potentially.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

I've been saying this for years.

Same with the NHL. (Though in the NBA I think they have the Hardaway/Shaq no back to back overall 1s rule.)

If you get the number 1 pick you can't draft in the top 3 for 3 years.
If you get the number 2 pick you can't draft in the top 3 for 2 years.
If you get the number 3 pick you can't draft in the top 3 for 1 year.

And that's just a modest proposal, I'm sure it can be improved upon or expanded. It would also make it so other teams could potentially be better while still knowing they could have a high draft pick.

That doesn't stop tanking though. The Celtics have no shot at a top 3 pick this year. But we're pretty much tanking. At least the gm is. No players on any team lose intentionally. And Philly would be doing the same thing they're doing even if they couldn't draft top 3. They wouldn't have acquired good players because youth and a top 4 pick is better than a handful of extra wins. And, again, the players aren't the ones losing intentionally.

I still like the idea that was (not so seriously) floated around a year ago. Every team rotates through all the draft positions (not in order 1-30, but in some specific order that makes sense) regardless of team performance. There'd have to be a plan for how to include possible expansion but it could work, it'd be fair and it would completely eliminate tanking.

 

[Hnidy Hnight]

Unweighted lottery odds would be my solution. Stern made a huge knee jerk reaction when Orlando got Shaq and Chris Webber in back to back years, but tanking wasn't as big an issue under those lottery odds

 

[jdz]

Meh taking the long road and rebuilding through the draft is the less effective way of building a championship winning/contending team anyway.

Building a team through trade is generally the more effective approach, and quicker.

 

[EverettMike]

Can someone explain to me how the Celtics have no shot at a top 3 pick this year?

 

[jdz]

Can someone explain to me how the Celtics have no shot at a top 3 pick this year?

They do have a shot, but they're not going to have as many ping pong balls as the Sixers, Knicks, Wolves, and Lakers (Probably). There is also a case for the Jazz and magic to have a worse record than them aswell, considering Exum being pretty underwhelming for where he was drafted and Payton needing more time to develop.

 

[EverettMike]

Okay, but they obviously have a chance. I was befuddled by that statement. Befuddled.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

Okay, but they obviously have a chance. I was befuddled by that statement. Befuddled.

What are you befuddled by? They have no chance of having a bottom 3 record. That's what I meant.

 

[EverettMike]

That have a thing called "The Lottery."

Not to be confused with the short story.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

That have a thing called "The Lottery."

Not to be confused with the short story.

Yeah? That's not the point. Even if there were no lottery, we'd be tanking to move up from ~7 to ~4.