The 1917-18 season - Everything we know

Iain Fyffe

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The key point is Elmer Ferguson's take on the issue and how it was in tune with the newspaper position - stories of physically able men trying to avoid conscription were commonplace in Montréal papers. Neighbours stooling on neighbours, family on family members, etc.
Could you answer a direct question for me, just yes or no?

Do you believe there is any evidence that Odie Cleghorn had a physical issue in 1917/18?

That's all I'm concerned about at the moment, because early in the thread you seemed to be suggesting that he did. And since this thread is about what we know about this season, it would be nice to set the record straight. So can you answer that question?
 

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Wrong Assumption

Could you answer a direct question for me, just yes or no?

Do you believe there is any evidence that Odie Cleghorn had a physical issue in 1917/18?

That's all I'm concerned about at the moment, because early in the thread you seemed to be suggesting that he did. And since this thread is about what we know about this season, it would be nice to set the record straight. So can you answer that question?

Your concerns do not seem to jive with the objectives of the thread which is in depth research as stated in the OP:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=89072557&postcount=1

The issue that you are fixating on will eventually be researched and explored as the exemption approaches its time limit, perhaps after.
 
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Amateur Hockey Scandal

The second half of January 1918 saw attention shift from the new NHL to a scandal that was brewing in Senior hockey.

During WWI there was a shortage of able bodied men for the war effort on the homefront and by extension in the NHL. Prior to WWI the Wanderers never had a problem stocking a team with talent that allowed them to compete in the NHA.

The NHL was high profile but the amateur Senior leagues were not. The modern day technology did not exist to track player movement or registrations and it was possible to play for two teams at the amateur level.

During WWI, after conscription , this became a real problem in Montréal and Ottawa Senior hockey leagues. A fair number of the big industrial concerns during the war sponsored Senior Amateur hockey teams stocked with employees who while working(perhaps not a regular shift or schedule) also played hockey on the company team in a Senior League, the level just below the NHL. In Montreal the CPR, Vickers and other concerns had such teams.

For some this was insufficient. Certain players from Senior Montreal teams were also playing in Ottawa for Senior teams in Ottawa region leagues, commuting back and forth. Conscription exemptions, double salaries/wages, expensed travel, less work. Better than playing in the NHL.

Anyhow without going into greater detail - worthy of a distinct thread after significantly more research, the Montréal Herald reported on January 28, 1918 that eight of the top amateur stars in various Senior Leagues were suspended for playing in multiple leagues.

Sorry for the slight diversion from the NHL but the situation explains to an extent the difficulties of finding quality hockey players towards the end of the WWI period and sheds some light on the views sports in general plus conscription exemptions.
 
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Amateur Hockey Scandal Part II

From the January 28, 1918 issue of the Montreal Herald, eight amateur players were suspended by the Eastern Canada Hockey Association.

MHL(Montréal Hockey League) teams involved. Le Casquette lost C. Sauve, A.Sauve and Meveux.Nationals lost Herve Dandurand and Boiselle. St. Ann's lost C.McDonald. Garnets lost H.Labelle. Lyall's lost Bechard.
Extent and reasons for the suspensions were not provided but the issue of player eligibility continued into early/mid February.

February 8,1918 edition of the Herald carries a story about the Lyall's forfeiting a game because they used two ineligible Ottawa players. This points to residency being one of the rules being broken. The story also describes amateur hockey as being a mess.

February 9,1918 edition of the Montreal Herald sees Elmer Ferguson ask "When is an amateur not an amateur,when is an eligible player, ineligible."

The question was never adequately answered by the governing amateur hockey bodies in Canada during Ferguson's lifetime(passed away April 26, 1972).

During WWI the accepted residency and employment criteria did not apply. Combined with conscription and the loss of hockey players to the war effort eligibility of hockey players became a question that was nearly impossible to answer.

Lyall's were a munitions team. At the time the CPR Angus Shops - munitions / armoured vehicles and Vickers - shipbuilding were major industrial concerns in east end Montreal, running multiple shifts and drawing workers from various parts of eastern Canada. This was a challenge for amateur hockey residency rules.

Combined with the fact that better amateurs were known to play for multiple teams as long as there was no league or competitive conflict(continued well into the seventies), the question raised by Elmer Ferguson was not going to be resolved quickly or easily.

This was evidenced immediately post WWI when certain PCHA subs returning from military service had difficulty returning to amateur ranks because they had played a few minutes of PCHA hockey.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=97071655&postcount=72

On the other hand Merv Dutton, rehabbing his legs from shrapenal wounds suffered in WWI claimed to have played for as many as seven amateur teams at any given time post WWI.

February 12 and 13, the Lyall's were asked to guarantee that they would not use Ottawa players.They Lyall's agreed to this condition in order to finish the season.
 

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FWIW, the high level of corruption in the OHA was one of the points of contention that threw the entire amateur system into crisis in late 1919. While the Big Four league's reputation for paying players under the table is more widely remembered (the winners write the history books), there is a good case to be made that at the time of its founding it was considerably less corrupt than the eastern amateur leagues.
 

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FWIW, the high level of corruption in the OHA was one of the points of contention that threw the entire amateur system into crisis in late 1919..... there is a good case to be made that at the time of its founding it was considerably less corrupt than the eastern amateur leagues.

Thats certainly the portrait painted by Stephen Harper in his book
A GREAT GAME: The Forgotten Leafs & The Rise of Professional Hockey.

... not really a Coffee Table Book though tarheel... hear what Im say'n?
 

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FWIW, the high level of corruption in the OHA was one of the points of contention that threw the entire amateur system into crisis in late 1919. While the Big Four league's reputation for paying players under the table is more widely remembered (the winners write the history books), there is a good case to be made that at the time of its founding it was considerably less corrupt than the eastern amateur leagues.

True for other amateur sports as well stretching well into the 1960s.

Under the table payments were a small part of the issue. Phantom or cushy jobs while playing on company sponsored were another consideration. Also the amateur / professional line was blurred at times especially in sports like amateur wrestling. The masked professional wrestler was often a leading amateur as well.

Oops the identical/coincidental tattoo on the upper arm gave it away.
 
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True for other amateur sports as well stretching well into the 1960s.

... and even today at the elite amateur levels, minor hockey. I was certainly aware of it in the 60's & early 70's. Players were offered all kinds of incentives (never cash or jobs of course) ranging from their Registration Fee's being waived to equipment including sticks & hockey camp "scholarships".... Then there was the Coaches, Admin... not too long ago controversy swirling around Rick Vaive for example who was apparently getting paid to Coach a AAA team in Southern Ontario, and I dont mean a AAA Team in a league that was a replacement for Jr.B but just standard GTHL AAA bracket. Atom, Pee Wee, Bantam, Minor Midget & Midget. Avg is somewhere between $5000 & $12,000 however it seems there was one who mightve been getting as much as $70,000. A bit OT for this thread perhaps but relevant & contemporary. If an amateur Coach is being paid beyond say just having his expenses covered (gas, travel time, office supplies, software & hardware as reqd or whatever etc) then arent these organizations really "professional" despite the fact the players in most cases are paying heavy duty Registration Fee's etc?
 

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Double Standard

^^^ Going back to 1917-18 we see the double standrad that was applied. One set of rules applied to players, another more flexible set to coaches, referees, and administration.

Specifically players were bound by residency rules(often contradictory) and the pro/amateur distinction.

Coaches could easily move from district to district or across jurisdictions, were not restricted from coaching hockey if granted a military or conscription exemption, could coach amateur after coaching pro, could coach multiple teams.

Similarly referees and administrators. Point was raised by Elmer Ferguson upthread about referees returning from service in WWI being able to continue refereeing.

Likewise referees/linesmen were hired on merit and their willingness to work.

Similarly professional administrators - NHL held positons of influence in amateur hockey. Con Smythe, Frank Selke Sr., etc.
 
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^^^ Going back to 1917-18 we see the double standrad that was applied. One set of rules applied to players, another more flexible set to coaches, referees, and administration.... Coaches could easily move from district to district o across jurisdictions, were not restricted from coaching hockey if granted a military or conscription exemption, could coach amateur after coaching pro, could coach multiple teams.

Ya.... though not circa 1917-18 but circa 1930's & 40's, interesting career arc of Des Smith typifies the sort of "flexibility" some players but certainly all Coaches, Referee's & Administrators enjoyed. Des took a rather circuitous route to the NHL, Ottawa native, big, gangling Defenceman coming up through the old Ottawa Montagnards. Went & played in the British National League in the 30's for Wembley for 2yrs, top D-Man in the league. In 1938 (until 42) he returned to North America, playing for Montreal Maroons, then the Habs, Chicago & Boston (where he won a Stanley Cup - paired with Superstar Dit Clapper, Des Smith considered the weakest of their top 4 which included Hollet & Crawford though Smith getting a lot of minutes & actually becoming quite effective, steady, reliable). In 1942 he enlisted with the RCAF (joining Schmidt, Dumart, Bauer & Conacher amongst others) as a "Pilot's Observer" and spent his years of service Coaching Ottawa's military team before moving to Montreal; Playing Coach with Montreal Army of the MCHL. After the War he played a season for Shawinigan Cataracts of the QSHL & briefly for Eddie Shore in Springfield of the AHL, then became a Referee in the AHL for many years.

Now, you may be wondering what possible relevance any of this has to the topic at hand yes? .... well, I think context important, as Des Smith had two sons, both of whom played in the NHL. Brian & Gary (yep, Gary Suitcase Smith for those unfamiliar; look him up). And at the Junior to minor-pro levels the story of Brian Smith in particular rather amusing as it typifies, underscores precisely the kind of thing that was going on with players during the 1900's & right on up into the 1960's amateur, semi-pro, senior, minor pro, pro, you name it. You wanted freedom of movement? Maybe play for several teams? You had to get bent, go crooked. Brian Smith for example after a great Jr. career with the Brockville Canadiens (went to the Memorial Cup in 1960) then played for 3yrs for the Ottawa-Hull Canadiens of the EPHL and then found himself assigned to Eddie Shore (his Dads old Buddy) and Springfield. Refused to report. Wanted no part of old Eddie... so he changes his name, alias, "Bobby Smith" and signs with a team playing in the Austrian elite league.... only Bunny Ahearne, President of the IIHF finds out about it & suspends him from play... very interesting indeed & talk about double standards & hypocrisy. Canadian Des Smith who had been enticed to go & play in England in the 30's along with the rest of his team mates in Wembley apparently just the ticket for travel agent / up & coming hockey hustler, British & eventually IIHF powerbroker Bunny Ahearne to promote the sport in the UK.

This was an old-dodge, old trick in hockey (and in the wider world of sport); the blurring of the lines between amateur & pro, the deliberate subterfuge's be it playing under an alias or altering ones place of residence to a friend or relatives in order to beat jurisdictional by-laws governing where & with whom any given player could play with & for. Rules are made to be broken, and a great many did, stories like Brian Smiths' (and youve just gotta figure Old Man Des there knowing exactly how to go about it from his experiences in England in the the 30's & advising Brian) circa 1960's you'll find extend back into the earliest era of the game when it became first organized, through WW1, into the 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's & 60's... as a sort of postscript, it was Brian Smith and a teammate in Springfield after he did eventually Report who organized the Players Revolt against Shore; placing a call to Alan Eagleson. From really that point on, combined with the end of the Sponsorship Era, rules, regulations, players rights at the pro level and amateur, was transcendent, didnt occur in a vacuum, filtered down, all changed though it took until about 1970 for all of that baggage to be finally cleared from the tracks.
 

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February 15, 1918

Rather interesting day according to Elmer Ferguson in the Montreal Herald.

Art Ross, having started the season with the defunct Montreal Wanderers and out of hockey, was asked to join the Ottawa Senators after Frank Nighbor suffered an eye injury. This did not materialized.

Also Odie Cleghorn was recruited by the Montreal Canadiens - Newsy Lalonde was battling a series of nagging injuries, but the terms of Cleghorn's conscription exemption were not modified and he wound up sitting out the year.

February 15, is an interesting date in Odie Cleghorn's career. The previous year, February 15, 1917 it was reported in the Montréal Herald that Odie Cleghorn had suffered a serious arm injury/right elbow - paralyzed was used in the paragraph heading. The next day it was reported that Odie Cleghorn was definitely out for the next game but he played.

Elmer Fergusons skepticism about Odie Cleghorn and his consription exemption prior to the start of the 1917-18 NHL season seems to have some basis in fact.
 
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End of the Second Half Approaches

The end of the second half of the 1917-18 NHL season brought a few minor issues to the forefront. From the Montréal Herald and Elmer Ferguson:

February 20, 1918. Montréal Canadiens are given to permission to move games from the Jubilee Rink to Toronto due to possible ice problems. The Jubilee Rink did not have artificail ice and an early thaw could be problematic.

February 22, 1918. Torontos Captain ken Randall suspended for verbal abuse of officials - Threatening and shoving referee Lou Marsh.

February 28, Hochelaga wins Montréal League Championship and Lyall's explain why they used Ottawa players.

Montreal League players had to reside on the Island of Montreal. Lyall's contended that Ottawa players who had moved to Montréal as part of the war effort should be considered to be eligible.
 

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I was impressed when Keith Olbermann tried to educate the masses on how the NHL began. He certainly did his homework on Toronto that season.

 

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I was impressed when Keith Olbermann tried to educate the masses on how the NHL began. He certainly did his homework on Toronto that season.

He missed the point though when he claimed that the NHL "inexplicably" called the six teams remaining in 1942 "Original Six". The term emerged in the context of the 1967 expansion which is anything but inexplicable. Before trying to educate others Mr. Olbermann should perhaps educate himself a bit more thoroughly.
 

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He missed the point though when he claimed that the NHL "inexplicably" called the six teams remaining in 1942 "Original Six". The term emerged in the context of the 1967 expansion which is anything but inexplicable. Before trying to educate others Mr. Olbermann should perhaps educate himself a bit more thoroughly.

No at around 4:55 he cites the 1967 expansion. The phrase was coined by a Toronto sportswriter, Milt Dunnell.
 

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Playoff Uncertainty and Banter

From the March 2, 1918 edition of the Montréal Herald, Elemer Ferguson. Talk of the Canadiens moving playoff and Stanley Cup games to Ottawa due to a lack of seats at the Jubilee Rink.

This did not materialize as the NHL two game total point final saw the second game played in Montréal at the Jubilee Rink. Toronto won on goals to advance to the World Series(name used for the Stanley Cup Final).

March 9, 1918, same source. PCHA suggests six man hockey for the World Series and forecasts uniform rules. The six man hockey was not adopted although it would have favoured the east. No specifics were offered about the uniform rules.

March 15,1918, same source. Talk of a four team NHL for the 1918-19 season - Québec City a possibility.
 

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Hebert gave up 5 goals in the first period and was replaced by Brooks. Brooks also surrendered 5 goals in his 2 periods of play. This is the only in game goalie substitution during the season.

It also was the only case of a goalie replacing a goalie in a NHL game until Vezina's last game in the 1925-26 season.

Minor correction on this point -- the second case of an NHL goalie being replaced was on January 31, 1920. Trailing a terrible Quebec team by 6-0 after two periods, Toronto replaced Ivan Mitchell with Howie Lockhart. AFAIK Toronto was the only pro team carrying two goalies at the time.

That game is better known for being the one where Joe Malone set the all-time record with 7 goals in a game.

Putting these two trivia items together, I think Joe Malone was the only NHL (professional?) player ever to score hat tricks on two different goalies in the same game.
 
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First NHL Game Toronto Arenas

Minor correction on this point -- the second case of an NHL goalie being replaced was on January 31, 1920. Trailing a terrible Quebec team by 6-0 after two periods, Toronto replaced Ivan Mitchell with Howie Lockhart. AFAIK Toronto was the only pro team carrying two goalies at the time.

That game is better known for being the one where Joe Malone set the all-time record with 7 goals in a game.

Putting these two trivia items together, I think Joe Malone was the only NHL (professional?) player ever to score hat tricks on two different goalies in the same game.

1917-18 Toronto Arenas, first NHL gameday December 19, 1917, played two goalies:

http://www.flyershistory.com/cgi-bin/poboxscore.cgi?H19170002

Sammy Herbert started and gave up five goals in the first period. Replaced by Arthur Brooks who gave up 5 goals in the last two periods.

Reading around the white patches in the Montréal Gazette from December 20, 1917, it seems that neither goalie impressed;

https://news.google.com/newspapers?id=3jIjAAAAIBAJ&sjid=j4UFAAAAIBAJ&hl=fr&pg=1433,3808477
 
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