Proposal: TBL - MTL

[God King Fudge]

Yowzers. This very heavily favors MTL.

I like Petry. Would love to have him on the team. This cost is outrageous, though.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Yowzers. This very heavily favors MTL.

I like Petry. Would love to have him on the team. This cost is outrageous, though.

Value is good. Need is exactly what we DON’T need.

 

[Cenzo_]

Callahan is one of the better 4th liners in the league. He could play 3rd line for some teams and be a good role player. Not going to put up too many points but gives you his all every shift. Some team will find value in his hustle and leadership.

haha more like Callahan is one of the most expensive 4th liner. At that salary, he has no business playing on the 4th line. Pavelski, Turis, Marchand are all paid very similar salaries, let that sink in.

Tampa are in Cap hell with $6.4M in cap space next year and having to sign Point and Stralman and at least 2 more Ds and 3 more F. Getting rid of your $5.8M 4th liner will definitely hurt

 

[CupsOverCash]

haha more like Callahan is one of the most expensive 4th liner. At that salary, he has no business playing on the 4th line. Pavelski, Turis, Marchand are all paid very similar salaries, let that sink in.

Tampa are in Cap hell with $6.4M in cap space next year and having to sign Point and Stralman and at least 2 more Ds and 3 more F. Getting rid of your $5.8M 4th liner will definitely hurt

Well yea he is expensive right now but he has value after retaining.

 

[Leonardo87]

haha more like Callahan is one of the most expensive 4th liner. At that salary, he has no business playing on the 4th line. Pavelski, Turis, Marchand are all paid very similar salaries, let that sink in.

Tampa are in Cap hell with $6.4M in cap space next year and having to sign Point and Stralman and at least 2 more Ds and 3 more F. Getting rid of your $5.8M 4th liner will definitely hurt

He is on a 4th line because of Tampa’s depth. No one says he is not overpaid but that does not still mean he has a lot of value to his team. Like I said a Callahan at 3 or 3.5 million would be right on the money. He signed that deal when he was producing 50 points and 20 goals a season. Regress was expected by the end of this contract. If they need to move him this summer they can without having to get screwed in the process.

 

[Cmac66]

haha more like Callahan is one of the most expensive 4th liner. At that salary, he has no business playing on the 4th line. Pavelski, Turis, Marchand are all paid very similar salaries, let that sink in.

Tampa are in Cap hell with $6.4M in cap space next year and having to sign Point and Stralman and at least 2 more Ds and 3 more F. Getting rid of your $5.8M 4th liner will definitely hurt

I would not say that we are in a Cap Hell, Girardi and Coburn will be let go. Stralman will probably sign a discount to stay here for a few more seasons. Point will, probably be bridged. Miller contract was intended to be traded before hes NMC kicks in next summer. We do not need Petry and there is no point giving up them assests to try and get him. We refused to offer Foote in the deal for Karlsson you bet we wont do the same for Petry.

 

[Cenzo_]

He is on a 4th line because of Tampa’s depth. No one says he is not overpaid but that does not still mean he has a lot of value to his team. Like I said a Callahan at 3 or 3.5 million would be right on the money. He signed that deal when he was producing 50 points and 20 goals a season. Regress was expected by the end of this contract. If they need to move him this summer they can without having to get screwed in the process.

Tampa is a cup contender, I don't see any team wanting to help them and get that contract off their hands without an over payment. Tampa need at least an $8M cap relief next year (if the cap remains the same), retaining salary on Callahan will certainly not help the team. IMO your best bet to continue being a Cup contender is to make a trade similar to the one in the OP , which may hurt in the long run but helps to lift that big silver cup

 

[Leonardo87]

Tampa is a cup contender, I don't see any team wanting to help them and get that contract off their hands without an over payment. Tampa need at least an $8M cap relief next year (if the cap remains the same), retaining salary on Callahan will certainly not help the team. IMO your best bet to continue being a Cup contender is to make a trade similar to the one in the OP , which may hurt in the long run but helps to lift that big silver cup

It makes more sense to move Miller before his NTC kicks in since Tampa can recover a 2nd round pick and they would not miss a beat in their Top 6 with Palat returning soon.

Letting Callahan play out his contract may not be a bad thing. Tampa has one of the best 4th lines in the league and he is a big part of that. Would be a 3rd line on most other teams. He is still excellent on the PK , arguably one of the best in the league still and he is elite on 5/4 on 3 kills.

But just to add if they need to move him can be done especially with retention and won’t cost them and would even get some return.

 

[Captain Mountain]

I'm kind of confused why either team does this.

This seems more like something for Tampa to consider in the offseason, depending on how expensive/cost effective moving Callahan or others will be to relieve their cap hell this offseason. They don't need Petry or Armia right now.

As for Montreal, if they're retaining on Petry for 3 years (especially on a contract that is already pretty good), trading Armia (which was most of the cost of them eating 1.36 mil in dead cap for two years.) and eating Callahan's last year, then I think they'd want futures that are more closely tailored to their needs. They'd have all sorts of interest in Raddysh, but I think they'd much rather have a LHD. An expected late first is a late first.

 

[DFC]

haha more like Callahan is one of the most expensive 4th liner. At that salary, he has no business playing on the 4th line. Pavelski, Turis, Marchand are all paid very similar salaries, let that sink in.

Tampa are in Cap hell with $6.4M in cap space next year and having to sign Point and Stralman and at least 2 more Ds and 3 more F. Getting rid of your $5.8M 4th liner will definitely hurt

That was a problem when Callahan had a lot of term. It won't be that hard to find a team to take him for a year. We'll still have to pay to get him off the team, but probably a similar cost as when we unloaded Filppula, who, at the time we traded him, was a net neutral player at best. Callahan actually brings positives, and there's a reason we're in no hurry to trade him. If we're not using that cap immediately, there's no reason to get him off the team. He still contributes.

People have been talking about TB's cap hell for literally five years. It's a wonderful problem, really. Apparently cap hell means you just keep getting better.

 

[Scintillating10]

Based on Tampa's expiring D contracts, and the need for a strong righty on Hedman's pair.

TBL:
Petry, Jeff (2.5M retention, AAV of $3M for 3 years)
Armia, Joel

MTL:
Conditional 2019 1st round pick*
Foote, Cal
Raddysh, Taylor
Callahan, Ryan

*As this pick is set to become NYR's pick if they win the cup, the pick then becomes a 2020 1st if TBL wins the cup in 2019.

Tampa moves out Callahan's cap, gets cap relief with Petry, and in return give up 2 solid prospects and a 1st.
Armia's also an upgrade on Callahan, cheaper & RFA.

Tampa's pick will be quite late first round, not real great. Why would Habs include Armia?

Habs should move Petry if they fall out of playoff contention. I think the return should be a first rounder plus a throw-in. Could be more if we have to take on bad contract.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

One day Tampa will get out of this cap hell and be able to retain a player. We have lost so many quality stars due this cap hell. Like...Namestnikov? Garrison? Drouin? I don't know...it's some big stars, because HFBoards been saying we have been in cap hell for half a decade, maybe more.

 

[David Suzuki]

Is Cal Foote valued that highly by Tampa fans?

 

[AndreRoy]

Is Cal Foote valued that highly by Tampa fans?

It’s not that we think he’s going to be a huge star, though he should end up a good top four defenseman and has 2D upside if he puts it all together. It’s that when you look at our cap situation, the fact that half of our defense is on expiring contracts, and the fact that we don’t have another noteworthy RHD prospect after him, he’s simply far too valuable for us to trade in any realistic scenario.

On top of that Petry doesn’t have sufficient value to fetch a prospect of that caliber in the first place. It’s a cap league and those cheap early years are worth their weight in gold to competitive teams. There’s a reason none of the teams linked to Karlsson were willing to give up their top young D talent and it wasn’t just that he was a rental.