After Eichel I think most athletes should just go their own route and not listen to team doctors. At the same time that alternative is available and means blaming team doctors for giving wrong advice or botching something should be taken with a grain of salt. He could have easily went his own rote and chose not to.
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Escaped my attention that when Rutherford took over, the Canucks medical and training staff was completely overhauled. So in terms of past controversies, this isn't the same group.
Looking like Pearson might have been the victim of just bad post-operative luck. Post surgery infections are constant concern of medical professionals, and can compromise the healing process.
But as an aside, it seems a lot of players suffer wrist and hand surgery was being slashed. Makes you wonder if there's more they do with hockey gloves to offer more protection.
Looking like Pearson might have been the victim of just bad post-operative luck. Post surgery infections are constant concern of medical professionals, and can compromise the healing process.
But as an aside, it seems a lot of players suffer wrist and hand surgery was being slashed. Makes you wonder if there's more they do with hockey gloves to offer more protection.
Some players has sacrificed protection for comfort or better handling of the puck or shooting the pick.
Back when Cherry was still on TV he would mention the short cuffs on the gloves.
Back when Cherry was still on TV he would mention the short cuffs on the gloves.
PuckMunchkin
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While I've been critical of the medical staff, to say the least, I 100% agree here.
When you perform any kind of surgery, no matter how minor, there is always a chance of infection.
Only reason I would blame the Canucks for this is if the surgery could be deemed unnecessary and was recommended by the team anyways. There is no reason to believe this was the case, but its one scenario where they could be to blame.
The surgery would be performed by a specialist. Pearson, and his agent, and family, should always inquire about the necessity and his options and seek a third party opinion if he has any questions of the need for it. This wasn't an ACL that needs an operation or a break that needs a pin inserted or something into his wrist. It's his career after all.
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Lots of defencemen used to wear shorter gloves back when their main participation in the offence was slapshots, it's a lot easier to shoot the puck hard and accurately from 40-50 feet with them. Also I suppose defencemen were less likely to be slashed as they didn't pinch down into the forecheck or carry the puck in traffic much.
Toxic fanbase.Why does it feel like there's been concerns with the medical staff with this organization for so long now?
Get me in there coach >
PuckMunchkin
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We've seen with Jack Eichel & Buffalo how much control the teams have over their players health.
Maybe I am misunderstanding what you are saying?
Question really comes down to whether he needed the surgery or not. I mean, unless a specialist in wrists tells him that he can try to rehab it, then he can push for that option over surgery. Plenty of players have tried to rehab their injuries. And plenty who have tried have ended up getting the surgery that they delayed. Always explore your options as it's your body and career.
I'm just reminded of what Nate Burleson said on Tim and Sid a couple of years ago when he said that a year after he retired, he went to get a complete physical and the doctor asked him when he suffered certain injuries. Nate told the doctor, no I never suffered that, it was something else. Doctor showed him the scans and said, no, you actually ended up with this injury. Nate said his mind was blown away. Ended up getting a few surgeries to fix a bunch of stuff. Just a shocker and a reminder that team physicians work for the team. Always consult a third party on these matters, especially if you have the ability to as an established veteran.
It's a different case. The dispute was over the type of surgery Eichel wanted to get which at the time was never before done on an NHL player.
The fact is that doctors know how to protect themselves. For anything that is non-life threatening, they are going to recommend conservative treatment options first. This allows doctors to say that conservative treatments were tried before pursuing the more invasive surgical option. They are also going to refer to another specialist. Whether it is a rehab specialist or a another specialist before a surgery is done. The referral for a second opinion is fulfilled by having someone else perform the surgery. Even in a followup, there's always the "if it gets worse go to the ER" advice.
From the team's perspective, they hired medical professionals. They aren't typical "employees" where the corporation is responsible for their employee's negligence in the course of their work. There's going to be doctor's liability insurance coverage to tap into before the team has to pay.
It sucks for Pearson.
Pearson is under contract until he is 32. Didn't follow on who did the surgery or where it was performed, so not sure which laws apply in terms of "pain and suffering" damages.
But for straight loss of wages, what would he make from age 32 onwards in the NHL?
But, I agree, this should be covered by the doctor's insurance policy.
But the point of the Eichel situation is that if at any point the player disagrees or doesn’t consent he can get his own opinion and own surgery. Was this explored with Pearson? I doubt we’ll ever know what really happened or the timeline.
I thought someone in BC performed the surgery? He could potentially make another $2-10M. Pearson staying in the NHL for another 2-3 years at ~$1M is an unreasonable prediction. Chiasson got a 1 year deal at age 32 for $750K. Pearson could probably extend his career in Europe if he desired.
I don't think that's the point. In Eichel's situation he could not get "his own surgery" because the team did not approve of it. Eichel, of course, could of gone ahead and get his own surgery. His body his choice, but he ran the risk of violating the terms of his contract.
As for Pearson, of course he could have gotten a second opinion. Of course he could have arranged to have the surgery done by his own doctor of choice. I don't think there was another option Pearson was considering that the team was against though.
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If that was how you can get off of grievance claims, grievances would never get filed.
"Yeah but you could have like not listened to us. So jokes on you."
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Was a felt good story when we swapped for him with Gudbranson
Turned into a nightmare when JB signed him to an extension
Turned into a nightmare when JB signed him to an extension
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Pearson's arc here is a good example of what has happened anytime anything positive occurred in Canucks land the last 4 years or so.
A brief ray of light and optimism when he joined and Gudbranson was dumped. Turned into an overpaid underperforming player that couldn't be removed from Horvat's wing by the end of his deal. The opportunity to salvage the situation was served up on a platter when we were getting offers of a 2nd for him as a rental despite his bad season when we had no chance of playoffs... and we converted him into an anchor instead that we ended up having to pay to get rid of.
Pearson seems pretty bitter about his last couple of years in Vancouver, particularly last year. But as soon as he butted heads with the Canucks medical and training staff, he was probably gone.
I always thought Pearson was an honest, hard-working hockey player who brought some Stanley Cup experience to the Canucks.
I always thought Pearson was an honest, hard-working hockey player who brought some Stanley Cup experience to the Canucks.
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Peter Forsberg early on in his career used Jofa gloves that were glorified ski gloves. Would have to believe he swapped to Easton's for more protection as battles with the Red Wings and others in playoffs made him such a target.
On another note his HOF Tre Kronor jersey from the Gold medal Worlds hanging at the entrance is one of my favourite displays as it's entire abdomen section is riddled with black tape scrapes from players trying to hook and slow in down in the day and age you could get away with it.
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Peter Forsberg early on in his career used Jofa gloves that were glorified ski gloves. Would have to believe he swapped to Easton's for more protection as battles with the Red Wings and others in playoffs made him such a target.
On another note his HOF Tre Kronor jersey from the Gold medal Worlds hanging at the entrance is one of my favourite displays as it's entire abdomen section is riddled with black tape scrapes from players trying to hook and slow in down in the day and age you could get away with it.
While gloves did get short in the 90s, those Jofa ASDs kind of got an unfair go of it. Yes, the exposed cuffs were super short, but the cuff roll is like twice as wide or more compared to many of the old traditional long cuffed gloves from the 80s and before, so the overall difference wasn't necessarily always quite as drastic as it looked.
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