GDT: TankTown Express to Pittsburgh

[PocketNines]

It's impossible to encapsulate how hockey-dumb a person is if they look at the Blues and point to Binnington as the top problem.

Straight. Up. Hockey. Dumb.

 

[Blueston]

These aren't the days when when we had an opposing team putting 40-50 sog and our goalie was getting rung for 5 goals. He gave up 4 goals on 17 shots. It's a trend. Not only that, but his antics put his backup and team at a further disadvantage. Throw all the advanced stats out there you want. Binny is a huge part of the problem.

The clothesline didn’t put us at disadvantage bc refs didn’t initially see it and had to overturn high stick call bc it wasn’t high stick. The misconduct didn’t put us at disadvantage either. He had already been pulled. Made him look like a clown but we weren’t shorthanded because of him.

 

[ChicagoBlues]

These aren't the days when when we had an opposing team putting 40-50 sog and our goalie was getting rung for 5 goals. He gave up 4 goals on 17 shots. It's a trend. Not only that, but his antics put his backup and team at a further disadvantage. Throw all the advanced stats out there you want. Binny is a huge part of the problem.

Binnington might be embarrassing at times, but he’s not the problem. There was one goal he should’ve had.

His outbursts are far deeper than anger issues. Anger is the result of deeper issues.

 

[PJJJP]

What happened with Binnington and zucker? I didn't watch the game but was there some altercation?

 

[Thallis]

What happened with Binnington and zucker? I didn't watch the game but was there some altercation?

Stuck his arm out & essentially clotheslined Zucker when hewas chasing the puck behind the net. Then went by their bench to chirp after he got pulled

 

[Moose and Squirrel]

the trend of giving multiple goals in a single period, in a short period of time, is killing this team

no idea what the issue is, but the coaching staff has to ID this and get it taken care of. if this continues, there's no way they can be a competitive team

 

[Xerloris]

Binnington is more of a head case than Allen ever was. He's also a substandard goalie. Of all of DA's bad contracts, Binnington is the worst.

That's absolutely not true at all. At worst he's average and at best he can single almost win playoff series on his own. substandard goalies do not do that.

 

[TheDizee]

the trend of giving multiple goals in a single period, in a short period of time, is killing this team

no idea what the issue is, but the coaching staff has to ID this and get it taken care of. if this continues, there's no way they can be a competitive team

This and a awful PK

 

[TruBlu]

I've not seen anyone say Jordan is the biggest problem. But he is a part of the problem. Pretty much every media source I've seen calls out binnington for being part of the problem, but you can't speak out against the sacred cow on here. Hell, even Berube called him out. Last year Binnington lost his job to the backup and keeps getting pulled this year. Binnington is not immune to criticism and .895 save percentage is unacceptable for a starting NHL goalie.

 

[Play]

Outsider checking in.

What’s going on with the Blues? Lots of talent

 

[Linkens Mastery]

Outsider checking in.

What’s going on with the Blues? You guys got more talent than half the league.

We booty. We don't have any identity, and we have zero chemistry. Also our defense sucks.

 

[bleedblue1223]

I've not seen anyone say Jordan is the biggest problem. But he is a part of the problem. Pretty much every media source I've seen calls out binnington for being part of the problem, but you can't speak out against the sacred cow on here. Hell, even Berube called him out. Last year Binnington lost his job to the backup and keeps getting pulled this year. Binnington is not immune to criticism and .895 save percentage is unacceptable for a starting NHL goalie.

He's been one of the better players this season, but his mentality is not built for a team that struggles like this. Some antics can help fire a team up, but we are way past that. Antics won't just get the team fired up and back on track, and he needs to learn to just take losses on the chin.

Outsider checking in.

What’s going on with the Blues? Lots of talent

You know the slot area, where there are high-danger scoring chances and good teams defend well? We've decided to not defend it.

 

[Xerloris]

I've not seen anyone say Jordan is the biggest problem. But he is a part of the problem. Pretty much every media source I've seen calls out binnington for being part of the problem, but you can't speak out against the sacred cow on here. Hell, even Berube called him out. Last year Binnington lost his job to the backup and keeps getting pulled this year. Binnington is not immune to criticism and .895 save percentage is unacceptable for a starting NHL goalie.

He's been pulled twice. Most media sources don't watch the games but they do exactly what you're doing which is looking at stats and declaring a goalie issue.

 

[Snubbed4Vezina]

Our team defense is complete garbage. This isn't a goalie issue whatsoever.

 

[fallingquarters]

This nightmare is a whole team issue, goaltending included.

 

[BadgersandBlues]

I've not seen anyone say Jordan is the biggest problem. But he is a part of the problem. Pretty much every media source I've seen calls out binnington for being part of the problem, but you can't speak out against the sacred cow on here. Hell, even Berube called him out. Last year Binnington lost his job to the backup and keeps getting pulled this year. Binnington is not immune to criticism and .895 save percentage is unacceptable for a starting NHL goalie.

I don't think that's fair. I think there's been criticism of Binnington this year - but it's hard to fault a guy who's currently third in xGA of any goalie who's played a minimum 300 minutes this year at 5v5. (The only two higher then him are John Gibson and Connor Hellybuck. Winnipeg is a paper tiger - Helly is basically keeping them afloat with a garbage D in front of him)

Long story short - yea, he could be doing more to help the team. But by god, when your starting goalie is supposed to give up the third most goals in the league at 5v5, how much of our struggles can you really pin on him? I don't like what he did last game, but I'd get frustrated too if my team was supposed to be good, and they kept hanging me out to dry time and time again.

When you look at underlying numbers like shot distance and High Danger shots against, he's in the top 5 for both at 5v5 (Which is bad). Same with rush chances against.

Plus - he's played the 6th most minutes of any goalie this year (Overall). Thanks to our team's struggles, plus Griess not really proving he can handle much more then the bottom of the league, Binner has played a lot to start the season.

The one area of criticism I think is very warranted is his play when we're on the PK. Our PK hasn't been good this year at all, but it's the one area where I think he needs to find a way to make a save or two to help the team a bit more. Our underlying numbers are much less worse on the PK then they are 5v5, yet he's actually worse on the PK then at 5v5.

 

[Reality Czech]

This nightmare is a whole team issue, goaltending included.

When are you guys gonna realize that stats don't tell the whole story, especially when talking about goalies? Some of you take advanced stats as gospel it seems. Gretzky chastised Biz on TNT a few weeks back for using stats to judge goalies so if you disagree with me you're also disagreeing with The Great One.

Pretty much every goalie has ups and downs, so expecting a guy to dominate all the time is simply not realistic. And most of the time their success correlates with team success. Markstrom was the best goalie for the first few months of last year, this year he's one of the worst. Hell, even Vasy and Shesterkin are struggling this year. For those who think Binnington is a big problem, please suggest another goalie that you think would be significantly better.

As Gretzky said, a goalie just has to stop shots when it matters most and rise to the occasion in the playoffs. And if a team is sucking as much as we are, there isn't a goalie in the league that would change the outcome of most of these games.

 

[TheOrganist]

Isn’t there a metric and stats for goalies based on game situation (score in a close game)? Seems like Binner has given up a lot of goals in garbage time this year. A handful of bad games can also balloon some of those goalie figures. I recall Husso getting blown out a couple times this year for DET but I think most Wings fans are pleased with him. If you just stat watched the GSAx would indicate Husso has sucked.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Isn’t there a metric and stats for goalies based on game situation (score in a close game)? Seems like Binner has given up a lot of goals in garbage time this year. A handful of bad games can also balloon some of those goalie figures. I recall Husso getting blown out a couple times this year for DET but I think most Wings fans are pleased with him. If you just stat watched the GSAx would indicate Husso has sucked.

Natural Stat Trick doesn't have a 5v5 close option, but there's probably something out there. By the numbers, during 5v5, Binnington is not the problem. He isn't his true best form where he's letting in less than the expected amount, but his 5v5 against are basically even with the expected against. The big issue for him is the PK, where he's genuinely been poor, and it's made even worse with a PK that is not performing up to par either.

When a season starts to get lost, it's easy to think the entire thing is broken, but it's probably important to look at things, one piece at a time. We have to fix the PK. It should be something we can fix with hard work and attention to detail, and the poor PK can just be a momentum killer in games. You can't turn the season around with it, but it can be that first step on that path.