GDT: TankTown Express: Future Franchise HOFer

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execwrite1

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Hate to say it, but time to tank the tank. It's too much fun watching the team play well and think about the future (next year).

With a few kids coming through up front, a vet d-man imported and Hofer in the nets, we might have something in 2023-24 while restocking the pipeline.

Doug made some big mistakes after the Cup year but he's back on the right track.
 

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Hate to say it, but time to tank the tank. It's too much fun watching the team play well and think about the future (next year).

With a few kids coming through up front, a vet d-man imported and Hofer in the nets, we might have something in 2023-24 while restocking the pipeline.

Doug made some big mistakes after the Cup year but he's back on the right track.
He got caught basking in the post-coital glow.
 

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I still need to see more from Hofer; he has played consistently against two teams that did not have much drive. Next year getting 20+ games in will be a good barometer for where his career may go (hopefully, he does not just play easy match-ups, either).

Congrats to Hofer on his first NHL shut-out!

It has been nice to see the Blues playing a bit bitter as of late.
 

execwrite1

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Yup, with a very similar result. Binnington’s stats have decreased year to year since his rookie year….
Unless a miracle happens, they can make the goaltending work with Hofer on a cheap contract and Binnington buried on the bench.

One more year and maybe they can buy out Binnington and bite the bullet. He won the Blues a Cup but he's not a very good goalie on a consistent winning basis.

He's worn out his welcome with his antics - everyone's had enough.
 

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Unless a miracle happens, they can make the goaltending work with Hofer on a cheap contract and Binnington buried on the bench.

One more year and maybe they can buy out Binnington and bite the bullet. He won the Blues a Cup but he's not a very good goalie on a consistent winning basis.

He's worn out his welcome with his antics - everyone's had enough.
I agree. This happens a lot with goalies, sign their 3rd big contract and the play declines off a cliff. It happened with price, bobrovsky etc. he did help stlouis win a cup, and I think most fans will appreciate that. But I agree with your timeline, he will be bought out at some point if play isn’t brought back up to atleast NHL average.
 

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Unless a miracle happens, they can make the goaltending work with Hofer on a cheap contract and Binnington buried on the bench.

One more year and maybe they can buy out Binnington and bite the bullet. He won the Blues a Cup but he's not a very good goalie on a consistent winning basis.

He's worn out his welcome with his antics - everyone's had enough.
I don't mind his antics at all, I am entertained and I watch sports to be entertained, watching Hextal or Smith or Belfour was entertaining back in the day, but the one thing you always knew was that they gave a shit, same with Binnington

now if he is not good enough, or is not as good as a different goalie, that is different
 
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Xerloris

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Oh neat, the goalie experts are coming out of nowhere now to tell us all how we need to buy out Binny and bury him on the bench all because some f***ing kid had a f***ing shutout. I don't guess any of you experts noticed how the team tightened up the defense the last 2 games did you? I thought not because you all think it's based on nothing but the goalie. You're all gonna turn your back on Hofer too when our defense collapses on him too?
 

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I agree. This happens a lot with goalies, sign their 3rd big contract and the play declines off a cliff. It happened with price, bobrovsky etc. he did help stlouis win a cup, and I think most fans will appreciate that. But I agree with your timeline, he will be bought out at some point if play isn’t brought back up to atleast NHL average.

What do you think NHL average is?
 

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Oh neat, the goalie experts are coming out of nowhere now to tell us all how we need to buy out Binny and bury him on the bench all because some f***ing kid had a f***ing shutout. I don't guess any of you experts noticed how the team tightened up the defense the last 2 games did you? I thought not because you all think it's based on nothing but the goalie. You're all gonna turn your back on Hofer too when our defense collapses on him too?
I tend to agree with this, however I wonder had Husso not collapsed at the end of last season, and Binny not regained his form in the playoffs, what Amy would have done last off season.

But after the years of shaky goal tending, i.e. Osgood, Freddy B, Sanford, Conklin, Ryan Miller, Divis, Lalime, etc...

Its nice to have some guys who can play well.

I find it interesting the Binny has the same save percentage this season as Jake Allen in Montreal, you want to talk about one of the worst NHL defenses I have ever seen, watch a Habs game.
 

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The league avg this year is .904, binnington has a .892
Hofer is at .970 for the year and .932 for his career. He will lead us to the Promised Land again...
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Just give Army a couple of years to finish building the team around him.
 

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The league avg this year is .904, binnington has a .892

Binnington has faced 1565 shots and given up 169 goals. I have watched nearly every single game this season and I can confidently say that our defensive breakdowns that completely screwed Binnington over easily accounts for 20 goals this season. That alone puts him very near the league average if you take those away and it doesn't matter who the goalie is when we allow back door tap ins. Hell, they did it to Hofer against the caps on Friday.
 

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Binnington has faced 1565 shots and given up 169 goals. I have watched nearly every single game this season and I can confidently say that our defensive breakdowns that completely screwed Binnington over easily accounts for 20 goals this season. That alone puts him very near the league average if you take those away and it doesn't matter who the goalie is when we allow back door tap ins. Hell, they did it to Hofer against the caps on Friday.

Yes and I always go back to this.

How many goals has Binnington gave up out of this 169 goals do you think Binner wishes he had that one back???

I would almost bet it is no more than 2 fists full. Binner is the least of the issues this year. I've said this on main boards and no one backed me.

I said if vasilevskiy was on the Blues , his numbers would be very close to Binner numbers.
 

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Stop worrying about Binny and fix the damn blueline.

While I’m saying this, a strange tuna boat just sailed by… with a train on it… something get derailed?
 
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Damn, the jets have fallen hard. I remember back in 2018 when they had all the young talent (Laine, Schefiele, Morissey, Trouba, Connor, Ehlers, Helleybuck) and they have only won 3 playoff rounds since then.
 
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Binner has been totally screwed by our abysmal defense this year, but it's hard to deny he's been fairly average since the cup run outside of the two weeks in the playoffs last year. Hofer stepping up is great to see and allows us to avoid shelling out for another washed vet backup this offseason.

Vrana and Kapanen have been really astute pickups thus far and I like the speed they add to our top six. The central really isn't that tough of a division; If Doug can ship out a vet defenseman and Parayko can keep this kind of play up I think we're a pencilled-in wild card team next year, maybe more.
 
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Damn, the jets have fallen hard. I remember back in 2018 when they had all the young talent (Laine, Schefiele, Morissey, Trouba, Connor, Ehlers, Helleybuck) and they have only won 3 playoff rounds since then.
Their best chance was the year St Louis bounced them in the first round. It’s not that hard to imagine that team could have gone to the SCF.

I tend to think no other WC team would have beaten Boston, though.
 

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Binnington has faced 1565 shots and given up 169 goals. I have watched nearly every single game this season and I can confidently say that our defensive breakdowns that completely screwed Binnington over easily accounts for 20 goals this season. That alone puts him very near the league average if you take those away and it doesn't matter who the goalie is when we allow back door tap ins. Hell, they did it to Hofer against the caps on Friday.
Other teams don't have defensive breakdowns? Moneypuck has xga. And xsv% binny is slightly belownhis xsv% but not by much. He's basically slightly below average. I believe part of the problem is him leading the nhl in starts when he would play better with a lighter workload like most goalies do, but he is a horrible contract. I hated the contract at the time. He was a league average goalie the next 2 seasons and nothing more but we payed based on his rookie year.
 

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Unless a miracle happens, they can make the goaltending work with Hofer on a cheap contract and Binnington buried on the bench.

One more year and maybe they can buy out Binnington and bite the bullet. He won the Blues a Cup but he's not a very good goalie on a consistent winning basis.

He's worn out his welcome with his antics - everyone's had enough.

Speak for yourself. I like Binner's fire and I bet some of his coaches and teammates do, too. I'd say he's been a top 5 player for this team this year all things considered. Of course if Hofer steals his job then it's a good thing for the team, but people acting like Binnington is the problem are really not seeing the bigger picture.

This team sure missed Scandella. He's a defensive specialist and his presence in the lineup allows everyone else to get easier match ups. It was so annoying last year to hear Blues fans complain about him non-stop as if he was the problem. He's a solid player.
 

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Other teams don't have defensive breakdowns? Moneypuck has xga. And xsv% binny is slightly belownhis xsv% but not by much. He's basically slightly below average. I believe part of the problem is him leading the nhl in starts when he would play better with a lighter workload like most goalies do, but he is a horrible contract. I hated the contract at the time. He was a league average goalie the next 2 seasons and nothing more but we payed based on his rookie year.

other teams do not allow the same break down nearly every game. Other teams have a coach that fixes the issue where as our coach seems to be causing the issue. using advanced stats to look at goalies is not a good idea. those stats do not account for the 100's of different reasons things can happens in a game. Screens, physical contact with the goalie, deflections, back door tap ins etc.
 

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other teams do not allow the same break down nearly every game. Other teams have a coach that fixes the issue where as our coach seems to be causing the issue. using advanced stats to look at goalies is not a good idea. those stats do not account for the 100's of different reasons things can happens in a game. Screens, physical contact with the goalie, deflections, back door tap ins etc.
A number of backdoor tap ins are from poor rebound control. And why does Thomas greiss who no one would accuse of being good at this point in his career have comparable stats if binnys so much better(i dont think greiss would necessarily keep it up over longer load)?

I heard the same excuses for Allen constantly. I realize advanced stats aren't perfect, but people also see what they want to see in regards to goaltender performance too.

The advance metrics also say binny isn't quite as bad as his sv% ranks, but if you want to say you can't trust them and he's way better, then you have to say same for greiss.

Our core also at start of year was fairly same as last year minus perron. Why did husso fair so much better if its impossible to perform well behind this defense(I realize husso came back to earth but he proved it is possible to win despite this defense unlike binny last year)

And binny being avg to below avg is actually in line with his career outside his rookie season. He still had a good defense with parayko the year after the Cup but put up around league average sv% (started above then cooled off and struggled til allen spelled him and he rebounded a little).

Year after he was around league avg sv%.

Bimny was paid solely on that rookie season.
 
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Speak for yourself. I like Binner's fire and I bet some of his coaches and teammates do, too. I'd say he's been a top 5 player for this team this year all things considered. Of course if Hofer steals his job then it's a good thing for the team, but people acting like Binnington is the problem are really not seeing the bigger picture.

This team sure missed Scandella. He's a defensive specialist and his presence in the lineup allows everyone else to get easier match ups. It was so annoying last year to hear Blues fans complain about him non-stop as if he was the problem. He's a solid player.
You have to actually understand what people were complaining about though, which was mainly his contract rather than the player himself. The Blues have been unable to move it (despite multiple reports that they have tried). This leads to other things happening, such as Sundqvist being traded and Perron walking, which can understandably frustrate fans.

It’s the same thing as Krug. Does he do good things? Yes of course. Is his contract a big problem though? Definitely.

It’s almost as if you’re being intentionally obtuse. We see the same arguments about how “Scandella isn’t the problem”, “Krug isn’t the problem”… nobody is saying one single player is the problem. But it shouldn’t take a genius to realize that having contracts like theirs on our team greatly hinders our ability to fix the problem (which is the team defense). Thus, fair criticism comes down on them.
 
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