Filthy Dangles
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For those unaware, all KHL teams who didn't qualify for the playoffs, played in this tournament and then the winner of the tournament was awarded the 1OA pick.
Well?
Well?
Tanking Solution: The Nadezhda Cup
- Thread starter Filthy Dangles
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The whole point of the draft is to give the bad teams the best chance at the best players from the draft...
Most of the time bad teams aren't tanking. They're just bad.
Not to mention you'd never get the CBA to agree to those extra games.
Most of the time bad teams aren't tanking. They're just bad.
Not to mention you'd never get the CBA to agree to those extra games.
Acallabeth
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I'm sorry to tell you that Nadezhda Cup drew very little fan interest, was a huge financial failure and is long cancelled.
Aladyyn
they praying for the death of a rockstar
clunk
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lol Boston, LA, San Jose and Dallas would have been among the favourites for McDavid in 2014 if this was the case.. RIP parity.
TheBeastCoast
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It's funny how tanking seems to be an issue with fans of the good teams....like have fun in the playoffs us plebs at the bottom need something buzz off.
tarheelhockey
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This good info for when this concept gets discussed every single week of March and April.
Early return shows that the lottery already fixed things. May still be some distasteful April shenanigans jockeying for draft position, but the guarantee of 4th overall isn't enough to justify the wasted year of the the season long tank job 50 point season.
As long as you don't think about it for more than a few seconds it seems like a good idea, but then...
There are probably many reasons why this idea wouldn't work very well, but the first that pops into my head is... No player is going to want to risk injury and give any amount of effort in such a tournament. Especially so for a pending FA who might not even be on the team next season or a more fringe player who could be bumped from the roster by the new high end prospect.
Come March 1st one of the old threads should be dug up and stickied. Make it happen mod!!!
There are probably many reasons why this idea wouldn't work very well, but the first that pops into my head is... No player is going to want to risk injury and give any amount of effort in such a tournament. Especially so for a pending FA who might not even be on the team next season or a more fringe player who could be bumped from the roster by the new high end prospect.
Come March 1st one of the old threads should be dug up and stickied. Make it happen mod!!!
Tanking isn't a problem. And even if it was, this isn't the solution.
If anything, this would encourage mediocre teams to sell (or not add) at the trade deadline because it would give them a good shot at the 1st overall pick if they failed to secure the 8th seed.
Sometimes tanking is the best option. But there are limited times when that occurs. There needs to be good draft classes with superstar potential available. There needs to be none or very few other teams tanking as well. If 5 teams tank at the same time, only 1 or 2 can actually benefit in any way. The rest get left in an even worse situation than they started.
If anything, this would encourage mediocre teams to sell (or not add) at the trade deadline because it would give them a good shot at the 1st overall pick if they failed to secure the 8th seed.
Sometimes tanking is the best option. But there are limited times when that occurs. There needs to be good draft classes with superstar potential available. There needs to be none or very few other teams tanking as well. If 5 teams tank at the same time, only 1 or 2 can actually benefit in any way. The rest get left in an even worse situation than they started.
Price is Wright
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Why fix tanking?
Let teams be bad. Let them get draft picks for it.
Otherwise just go with the wheel and be done with rankings for draft picks altogether.
Let teams be bad. Let them get draft picks for it.
Otherwise just go with the wheel and be done with rankings for draft picks altogether.
Right now perpetually mediocre teams like the wings, bruins, and Devils are screwed by the current system
With this tournament system that the khl once used, the awful teams will be the ones getting screwed the hardest, and they would remain perpetually bad.
The lottery is better. The awful teams deserve the best picks more than the mediocre ones imo.
If you had perpetually horrible teams fans would eventually stop tuning in or showing up (well unless the team is Canadian, ppl show up anyway) which means less money
Fans still show up and watch perpetually mediocre teams, which means more revenue for the league
With this tournament system that the khl once used, the awful teams will be the ones getting screwed the hardest, and they would remain perpetually bad.
The lottery is better. The awful teams deserve the best picks more than the mediocre ones imo.
If you had perpetually horrible teams fans would eventually stop tuning in or showing up (well unless the team is Canadian, ppl show up anyway) which means less money
Fans still show up and watch perpetually mediocre teams, which means more revenue for the league
Kamiccolo
Truly wonderful, the mind of a child is.
As a Leaf fan I say sure. But let's wait another year until we are a bubble team so we have a better chance at 1st OA
Hivemind
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http://www.sloansportsconference.com/content/how-to-cure-tanking/
Adam Gold's proposal is still the best solution for "fixing tanking." The worst teams still have the advantage for getting the best draft picks, but it creates a system that's much harder to game and ensures that fans are rooting for their teams to win (very few "meaningless games").
Adam Gold's proposal is still the best solution for "fixing tanking." The worst teams still have the advantage for getting the best draft picks, but it creates a system that's much harder to game and ensures that fans are rooting for their teams to win (very few "meaningless games").
Actually I think those most against "tanking" are fans of big-market teams who think there should not be a salary cap. That they should be able to just buy championships, thus negating the need to ever be bad.
The NHL lottery system has almost made "tanking" impossible. It just doesn't happen.
Generally when so called fans talk about tanking, it's just meaningless. Bad teams lose more than they win. How is that tanking?
Generally when so called fans talk about tanking, it's just meaningless. Bad teams lose more than they win. How is that tanking?
KingsFan7824
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There's always a next year though. Your team is out of it, but a player needs surgery with a 6 month rehab. If he has the surgery once the team is eliminated, you're not helping your team's chances of getting a higher pick. If the player doesn't have the surgery, you might not be helping next year's team, since he might be out for the first month or two.
You're not able to trade soon to be UFA's for a draft pick, since you can use that guy to maybe get a higher pick. Maybe you don't get the higher pick, and you might lose the player, the higher pick, and the traded for pick.
If every player was a free agent every summer, and there was no minor league development system for each franchise, then this idea would be great. Everything would be about the current season, and there's no worrying about the future, since everything would reset on July 1st. Then there wouldn't even be a need for a draft.
islesfan186
YES! YES! YES!
How about you get a "sacko" (a la The League), and if you finish 30th OA you automatically do not get the 1OA pick?
btw...this is not a serious suggestion
btw...this is not a serious suggestion
StoneHands
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The lottery is fine IMO. The only thing I would like to see is that the same team cannot pick #1 OA two years in a row. That gives less incentive for owners and GMs to put a bad product on the ice for 3-4 years. Everything else is fine.
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Great idea. Players can play their butt off for a chance of a 1st Overall pick to come take away one of their jobs away...
Bear of Bad News
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Tanking or no tanking, there's always going to be a team who finishes in last place.
No matter what you want to do about it.
No matter what you want to do about it.
oXo Cube
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I honestly just don't understand why so many people are upset about tanking.
Let a couple teams lose on purpose if they want. Who cares?
Let a couple teams lose on purpose if they want. Who cares?
