Value of: Tanev?
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Dont know how much the value would differ to be honest. Its not a kings ransom to acquire Tanev now or next year. His value would likely be very close to the same at the deadline.
Also, if the offer was the right one the Canucks "could" retain some salary to make his cap hit lower.
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It's fair to criticize his injury history. That's his major drawback.
I'm reminded of Sami Salo when talking about Tanev. Salo was often injured, but he was a legit top pairing Dman. Tanev is similar in that way. Also, Salo was never traded from the Canucks. He was too important despite the injuries...
That may be the best time to get him. I've thought about this: If the Canucks graduate Hughes next year and pair him with Tanev, there's a very real chance that the Canucks re-sign Tanev instead of letting him walk. Maybe that's why he's still here...?
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Because Zaitsev has negative value.
A horrible contract on top of not being a very effective puck handle, passer, or shooter.
He can block shots, and that's about it.
Not to mention Tanev to the leafs has been talked about forever and no where has anyone agreed upon something as garbage as your offer.
I am not a Tanev fan, but he's easily 5 times better than Zaitsev, on a better contract, but in your infinite wisdom you think that difference is a bottom of the list 2nd round pick? You're delusional.
Tanev is easily worth something like Brown and a first .
Putting Zaitsev into any deal that is not essentially a cap dump is idiocy. Literally no one wants him. He can't even over take hainsey who can barely keep up, who is playing his off wing. And the only reason he's not on the 3rd pair, is that guy has like 30 games in the NHL.
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The Canucks are going to keep Tanev to play with Hughes unless they get a deal that fills an organizational need.
At this point, from interviews with management it sounds they really want a RHD who can play on the PP. My guess is that the Canucks either want Liljegren or aren't high on Liljegren, so ultimately there just isn't a deal to be made with the Leafs that would have the Canucks part with Tanev. That's why we haven't/won't see a deal here.
I guess picks may be interesting because the draft is in Vancouver this year, but even then I think ownership is too impatient for the team to trade Tanev and not see the fruits of that for years. If they are going to do that it is probably at the draft or at the deadline next year.
At this point, from interviews with management it sounds they really want a RHD who can play on the PP. My guess is that the Canucks either want Liljegren or aren't high on Liljegren, so ultimately there just isn't a deal to be made with the Leafs that would have the Canucks part with Tanev. That's why we haven't/won't see a deal here.
I guess picks may be interesting because the draft is in Vancouver this year, but even then I think ownership is too impatient for the team to trade Tanev and not see the fruits of that for years. If they are going to do that it is probably at the draft or at the deadline next year.
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For instance, it might interest you to learn that Zaitsev had 36 points in his rookie year - not bad for a dman. Clearly, he does have some upside as a passer, and he has a perfectly good shot. Care to guess what Tanev's points high is in a year?
The Zaitsev pairing is used to take on the toughest defensive matchups. He's used as a defensive dman from the right side, same as Tanev.
Zaitsev is younger, cheaper (slightly), healthier, has more offensive upside and is used in the same shutdown role from the right side as Tanev. That's why I said that I believe that Benning will want him in return for Tanev.
Care to rationalize your comment of why you think Tanev is "easily 5 times better" than Zaitsev? Should be entertaining if nothing else
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Zaitsev had a decent rookie campaign and then Lou signed him to that ridiculous contract.
Shut down role? That's laughable.
It's not 1998, you can't just high and hard it off the glass Ken Klee style anymore.
He has zero transition game, and he's signed on for 5 MORE YEARS after this one.
He has negative value and everyone knows it.
It's a bad contract.
You over value our players. Zaitsev is a bottom pair RHD making 4.5 mil when he should be making 2mil. No team has a want or a need for him. They're literally better playing anyone over him. I would rather play Dermott on a the right side, which is saying something, because he was terrible there last year. I'd rather throw Liljegren into the fire than play Zaitsev. Unfortunately we are stuck with him for another 5 years.
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Shut down role? That's laughable.
It's not 1998, you can't just high and hard it off the glass Ken Klee style anymore.
He has zero transition game, and he's signed on for 5 MORE YEARS after this one.
He has negative value and everyone knows it.
It's a bad contract.
You over value our players. Zaitsev is a bottom pair RHD making 4.5 mil when he should be making 2mil. No team has a want or a need for him. They're literally better playing anyone over him. I would rather play Dermott on a the right side, which is saying something, because he was terrible there last year. I'd rather throw Liljegren into the fire than play Zaitsev. Unfortunately we are stuck with him for another 5 years.
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Jesus, I knew he wasn't worth nearly what Nucks fans parade around yelling at everyone, but only offering Martin really shows how out of touch with reality they are with Tanev. Guess that includes me for offering a conditional first, that's way too much!
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How's a guy who's going to be injured in the playoffs going to help Toronto exactly?
Your coach just came out and said he's literally injured right now, to the surprise of nobody.
You're right though, lock this up. Nobody is giving you value for a used, broken Band-Aid.
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if you don't want to trade for him just leave the thread, as for injury concerns, it will be drastically lessened by playing on a team with far less travel and far less responsibilities
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I know Toronto doesnt want to offer up Lilijgren but I dont even know if JB would ask for him. I am solely basing this off the Canucks being 1 of the very few teams who did NOT interview him at the draft.
If we move Tanev, which I think is the right thing we need a good young asset or high pick coming back and possibly a place holder right shot D coming back also.
I am not against us taking on Zaitsev, maybe Toronto will retain on his deal to offload the majority of the cap hit kind of like how they retained on kessel?
If we move Tanev, which I think is the right thing we need a good young asset or high pick coming back and possibly a place holder right shot D coming back also.
I am not against us taking on Zaitsev, maybe Toronto will retain on his deal to offload the majority of the cap hit kind of like how they retained on kessel?
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Zaitsev is a cap dump, he has negative value.Lol, relax, new guy.
You're lacking knowledge/facts on the subject, but perhaps you'll learn.
For instance, it might interest you to learn that Zaitsev had 36 points in his rookie year - not bad for a dman. Clearly, he does have some upside as a passer, and he has a perfectly good shot. Care to guess what Tanev's points high is in a year?
The Zaitsev pairing is used to take on the toughest defensive matchups. He's used as a defensive dman from the right side, same as Tanev.
Zaitsev is younger, cheaper (slightly), healthier, has more offensive upside and is used in the same shutdown role from the right side as Tanev. That's why I said that I believe that Benning will want him in return for Tanev.
Care to rationalize your comment of why you think Tanev is "easily 5 times better" than Zaitsev? Should be entertaining if nothing else
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That would be a tough pill. Zaitsev's contract is onerous. As a result, it's not something that is valued. To contrast, Tanev is a valued Canuck on a short term deal.
I don't see these players as being in the same class.
Believing what botch says is like believing cherry when he said to trade Marner for Gudbranson, out of touch. But go ahead and Try and justifying a terrible opinion by using him
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So he will have less responsibility on the leafs, despite countless Canucks fans proclaiming him as the top pairing right dman on Toronto. Not to mention if he were ever healthy enough to make the playoffs (highly unlikely) he would travel more than with Vancouver, seeing as usually he gets to stay home and watch the team play on TV .
