Value of: Tanev?
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So you want a top shutdown guy but dont want to trade anything of value?
Why even make thread
Namikaze Minato
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From Toronto:
Conditional first (Every 10 games missed due to injury, it drops a round)
Conditional Second (10 games played in playoffs, or it drops a round)
From Vancouver:
Tanev
Works out well for both teams. Leafs get an okay defensive defenceman (Aka a cheaper, slightly worse Zaitsev with worse stats) and Vancouver gets probably 2 3rd round picks for somebody who hasnt been able to stay in their lineup anyways but has also been a disaster this year when he is.
Conditional first (Every 10 games missed due to injury, it drops a round)
Conditional Second (10 games played in playoffs, or it drops a round)
From Vancouver:
Tanev
Works out well for both teams. Leafs get an okay defensive defenceman (Aka a cheaper, slightly worse Zaitsev with worse stats) and Vancouver gets probably 2 3rd round picks for somebody who hasnt been able to stay in their lineup anyways but has also been a disaster this year when he is.
Namikaze Minato
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He didnt mention a top shutdown pairing Dman. He mentioned an oft injured, overrated defenceman who has worse defensive stats than Zaitsev.
Namikaze Minato
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Courtesy of @The Podium
Tanev (4.45 AAV)
27GP 3Pts
dZS% = 60.7
CF% = 41
CF rel = -8.1
FF% = 41.6
FF rel = -7.6
GA/60 = 2.5
Zaitsev (4.5 AAV)
30GP 2 Pts
dZS% = 58.6
CF% = 46.2
CF rel = -5.1
FF% = 43.9
FF rel = -6
GA/60 = 2.7
Tanev (4.45 AAV)
27GP 3Pts
dZS% = 60.7
CF% = 41
CF rel = -8.1
FF% = 41.6
FF rel = -7.6
GA/60 = 2.5
Zaitsev (4.5 AAV)
30GP 2 Pts
dZS% = 58.6
CF% = 46.2
CF rel = -5.1
FF% = 43.9
FF rel = -6
GA/60 = 2.7
Bleach Clean
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IMO, the cost isn't directly tied to the most future value that can be attained. That's not how Benning works. He targets pieces, first and foremost. That's been his M.O. Rarely, do you see him target picks and lesser prospects. In other words, he doesn't sell, he trades.
This is rather frustrating to Canucks fans. A 1st + B prospect is a good base. Not to JB. He targets and then he waits, just as he had done with Leivo.
Another quirk here is that he not only targets the player, but he targets the vacating position. For example, when attempting to move Gudbranson, he targeted Demers as the return -- another right shot Dman.
Mike Halford (local radio host) tells a story about his conversation with Benning about trading Tanev. Benning's response to the question "well, we would need another Dman back". Halford retorted "you're planning for years out, and you could get a dman elsewhere". Benning again responds with "I think we're going to need a dman back". [paraphrasing] (Last week's radio hit with Botchford)
Long way around, I interpret this to mean that he will target another right shot dman from the trading team. If he gets this player, he makes the trade. If not, he holds onto Tanev. In the case of TOR, I have to think that this player is Liljegren, if anyone. That's where it starts and stops with Benning, IMO.
What's the sample size of this?
Also, do you have the QualComp/QualTeam numbers handy?
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There is zero chance of you getting Liljegren for two years of Tanev. He just isn’t worth that much.
Bleach Clean
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I'm not sure that he isn't worth that much, Tanev is a pretty good dman. However, rather than get into a back and forth on the merits of Tanev versus his drawbacks, which has been done ad nauseum in TOR/Tanev threads before, I am offering a take based upon my read of Benning. That's the guy in a position to actually execute here.
I'm sure you could get VAN posters to agree to a 1st ++ deal. If Benning actually had a proclivity to acquiring high end picks, it would make sense. In reality, Benning cares less about picks than he does about specific players. That's just the way he rolls.
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Lol Vancouver fans still think tanev is worth a 1st + A prospect?
Okkkk....
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Bleach Clean
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Van fan wants
2019 1st + Conditional 2020 2nd for Tanev @50% for duration.
Condition is the 2nd becomes a 3rd if Tanev misses more than 20 games during the 19/20 season.
2019 1st + Conditional 2020 2nd for Tanev @50% for duration.
Condition is the 2nd becomes a 3rd if Tanev misses more than 20 games during the 19/20 season.
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DingDongCharlie
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Edmonton would be a interested party at that price.
Klefbom - Tanev
Nurse - Larsson
He seems like he’d be an ideal Hitchcock guy too and our 1st is higher than Tor. It moves Russell to the bottom pairing where he belongs. You can even remove the condition on the 2nd.
Liferleafer
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Pokes head in....huh, this seems very familiar....slowly backs away.....
DEANYOUNGBLOOD17
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Vancouver will try and trade Tanev and Edler for picks as they will want to stock up picks for the home crowd as they host the draft this year.
Problem is Neither is worth a 1st round pick. Probably a 2nd and and a late round pick each.
Edler will finally allow a trade (NMC) as it's his last year in his contract and wink wink wants to resign with Vancouver on July 1st.
Problem is Neither is worth a 1st round pick. Probably a 2nd and and a late round pick each.
Edler will finally allow a trade (NMC) as it's his last year in his contract and wink wink wants to resign with Vancouver on July 1st.
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lomiller1
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Goals above replacement
2016/17
Tanev 7.7 (GAR/60 0.429)
Zaitsev -3.4 (GAR/60 -0.113)
2017/18
Tanev 10.8 (GAR/60 0.780)
Zaitsev 2.9 (GAR/60 0.131)
2018/19
Tanev -2.1 (GAR/60 -0.217)
Zaitsev -4.7 (GAR/60 -0.438)
Overall
Tanev 16.6 (GAR/60 0.395)
Zaitsev -5.2 (GAR/60 -0.082)
IOW while Tanev is having a down year, he’s been a really good D-man for a long time. Zaitsev has had 1 season where he’s been above replacement level and has been much worse than Tanev this year.
Only a delusional Leafs fan would take Zaitsev over Tanev
Liferleafer
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Our "ev" has more letters....and words starting with Z are fun!!!!
Ha, ha, yeah right, Liferleafer backing away from a Tanev thread!
Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
Which top shutdown defenceman are you talking about?
Ignore the Leafs because of the emotional attatchment...what about the Sabres? Would you expect them to give up top young talent for Tanev? Is he really worth a Thompson/Mittelstadt/Pilut type of player? IMO that would be a bad trade for Buffalo.
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IMO, that ship has sailed (at least on HF). I offered Kapanen+1st last year and got trashed. I wouldn't move Kap now, so i can't think of an offer i would do that Nucks fans would agree to.
