HockeyShack
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Ben Bishop
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Can we make a trade here? Ducks seriously need a upgrade on goalie.
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Can we make a trade here? Ducks seriously need a upgrade on goalie.
Bishop makes no sense for the Ducks. They've hitched their wagon to Gibson and can't afford to spend assets on a rental Bishop. The only deal that might make sense between the Ducks/Lightning would be something involving Vatanen for a guy like Palat.
The problem with that sort of deal is that trading for a quality defenseman would mean having to protect him and therefore exposing and possibly losing Koekkoek to expansion, which would severely decrease the value of the deal to us.
The same issue exists with the Bishop-for-Manson trade I proposed, of course, but the key difference with that scenario is that we'd only be giving up a guy we're going to let walk at the end of the season anyway. So if we traded Bishop for Manson and then lost either Manson or Koekkoek to Vegas we'd be no worse off than if we hadn't made the deal in the first place - we'd simply have traded a rental for a rental. If we trade somebody like Palat and the same thing happens, however, now we've lost a quality top six forward for little to no gain. So I'm much more inclined to trade Bishop for a defenseman than one of our young forwards.
Now that you've covered TB's point of view can you see why trading an asset that could return a quality scoring forward (which they need) for a rental goalie probably wouldn't be of interest to the Ducks? Not to mention that the money doesn't come close to working out.
Ben Bishop
for
??
Can we make a trade here? Ducks seriously need a upgrade on goalie.
Bishop + Palat for Bernier + Vatanen + Jones?
Someone else will be willing to make you an offer for Bishop that's miles better than anything Anaheim would offer - our GM will not pay up for top rentals.
Plus if we could afford a guy like Bishop, we wouldn't have traded Andersen. The wagon is hitched to Gibson, that's just the way it is.
Pushing all the other pieces aside, Vatanen for Palat is a somewhat interesting framework.
It's not really a rental trade though. The main pieces are Palat and Vatanen. Bishop and Bernier are both UFA's so a goalie swap and it keeps the cap close. Jones is there because you are trading from a position of strength, D, for a weakness, top 6 LW, and the difference between Bishop and Bernier.
There's a fair bit wrong here....
First of all, the idea of a top 6 LW being the Ducks weakness is outdated. We're perfectly fine with Rakell, Cogliano and Ritchie manning the left side in our top 9. Rakell can also shift to RW if needed, meaning the Ducks can simply target the best fit available.
"Jones is there because you are trading from a position of strength, for a weakness..."- this part makes no sense at all. Obviously the point of any trade is to improve and balance one's team, that doesn't mean the Ducks need to kick in extra value.
So putting that nonsense aside, the Ducks are moving Jones in order to upgrade rental goalies. That part doesn't work whatsoever. We can't afford to keep Bishop (contract or expansion), and our GM doesn't move his top young pieces for short term gain. Anaheim is one of the last teams in which you should be considering when trying to figure out where Bishop is going, it's not any sort of fit whatsoever.
Why does it make sense for Anaheim to give up really good picks and/or prospects for a UFA Bishop?This trade only happens IMO if Tampa plummets down the standings and looks like a lottery team at the deadline.
Bishop (UFA)
for
Bernier (UFA)
and
really good pick(s) and/or prospect(s)
Ben Bishop
for
??
Can we make a trade here? Ducks seriously need a upgrade on goalie.
I'd do Bishop for Manson.
Bishop + Palat for Bernier + Vatanen + Jones?
This trade only happens IMO if Tampa plummets down the standings and looks like a lottery team at the deadline.
Bishop (UFA)
for
Bernier (UFA)
and
really good pick(s) and/or prospect(s)
Wait ducks needs a goalie? Gibson hasn't been good? Didn't they chose him over Andersen this summer? Is he injured or something? I would understand Bernier but can a ducks fan chime in and tell me whats up with Gibson?
Wait ducks needs a goalie? Gibson hasn't been good? Didn't they chose him over Andersen this summer? Is he injured or something? I would understand Bernier but can a ducks fan chime in and tell me whats up with Gibson?