Superline 1 vs Superline 2

[Plural]

Who's gonna score for group 2?

This guy called Connor I guess.

 

[filinski77]

Fixed

McDavid

Mackinnon
Pastrnak/Rantanen
Marner
Tkachuk

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[93LEAFS]

Line one has the better sniper but loses their best puck winner in Landeskog, which may significantly alter the dynamic of how that line plays. Line 2 doesn't have a pure sniper but has a guy who is amazing at winning battles down low and coming out with the puck.

I'm not sure Pastrnak replacing Landeskog makes that line better, to be honest. Now, I take Pastrnak over Landeskog 10 time out of 10 if you are asking me which one to build around and who do I take for my team, but line-up construction isn't as simple as putting the 3 best players together like NHL 19.

 

[BostonBruins11]

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Marner:

2016-17	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	77	19	42	61	38	0	6	1	3	4	0
2017-18	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	82	22	47	69	26	-1	7	2	7	9	4
2018-19	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	25	6	27	33	8	10

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Pastrnak:

2016-17	Boston Bruins	NHL	75	34	36	70	34	11	6	2	2	4	6
2017-18	Boston Bruins	NHL	82	35	45	80	37	10	12	6	14	20	8
2018-19	Boston Bruins	NHL	24	19	9	28	10	2

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Objectively Pastrnak is and has been the better player so far

 

[The Podium]

I'd take Pastrnak, Mackinnon and Rantanen. I don't think McDavid is that much better than Mackinnon to justify taking that line when Pastrnak and Rantanen are much better than Tkachuk and Marner

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McDavid

Mackinnon
Pastrnak/Rantanen
Marner
Tkachuk

Marner has 5 more points in 1 more game, is significantly better defensively and doesnt have 2 linemates better than him to play with

 

[The Podium]

Marner:

2016-17	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	77	19	42	61	38	0	6	1	3	4	0
2017-18	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	82	22	47	69	26	-1	7	2	7	9	4
2018-19	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	25	6	27	33	8	10

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Pastrnak:

2016-17	Boston Bruins	NHL	75	34	36	70	34	11	6	2	2	4	6
2017-18	Boston Bruins	NHL	82	35	45	80	37	10	12	6	14	20	8
2018-19	Boston Bruins	NHL	24	19	9	28	10	2

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Objectively Pastrnak is and has been the better player so far

Yup 28 in 24 >>>> 33 in 25. Checks out.

I guess Kadri and Marleau > Marchand and Bergeron as well? Otherwise it could be conceivable that QoT last season would benefit Pasta

 

[BostonBruins11]

Marner has 5 more points in 1 more game, is significantly better defensively and doesnt have 2 linemates better than him to play with

so are assist now more valuable than Goals,

weren't Leaf fans arguing about this (for Matthews) just a few months ago....

 

[The Podium]

so are assist now more valuable than Goals,

weren't Leaf fans arguing about this (for Matthews) just a few months ago....

Assists arent more valuable than goals, but primary assists are = goals which I believe Marner is the league leader in

 

[BostonBruins11]

are Leafs fans now backpedaling from their own arguments that goals are more important than assists....

 

[BostonBruins11]

There's a reason why i listed 3 seasons (sample size)

 

[authentic]

so are assist now more valuable than Goals,

weren't Leaf fans arguing about this (for Matthews) just a few months ago....

He has 25 primary assists, he leads the NHL in primary points. A 1st assist is as valuable as a goal, not sure how you can watch hockey and not recognize that.

 

[BostonBruins11]

Yup 28 in 24 >>>> 33 in 25. Checks out.

I guess Kadri and Marleau > Marchand and Bergeron as well? Otherwise it could be conceivable that QoT last season would benefit Pasta

ahh picking on Injured Bergeron now are we... Bergeron is at 1.37PPG

and in what world has Kadri every been better than Marchand LMAO

Marchand:

2016-17	Boston Bruins	NHL	80	39	46	85	81	18	6	1	3	4	6
2017-18	Boston Bruins	NHL	68	34	51	85	63	25	12	4	13	17	16
2018-19	Boston Bruins	NHL	24	6	17	23	70	1

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Kadri:

2016-17	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	82	32	29	61	95	-7	6	1	1	2	8
2017-18	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	80	32	23	55	42	2	4	0	2	2	19
2018-19	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	25	7	8	15	14	-8

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[The Podium]

There's a reason why i listed 3 seasons (sample size)

Sample sizes are great when you include context. Pastrnak is worse than both Bergeron and Marchand, not that he is being carried by them but quality of teammates improves offensive production. Similar to the increase we have seen in Marner this season by having JT with him. Now consider that Pasta has 2 and Marner has a 4th liner as his opposite winger. Not to mention Marner is a significantly more complete player than Pasta.

are Leafs fans now backpedaling from their own arguments that goals are more important than assists....

Dont generalize. I never said goals are more important than primary assists.

 

[BostonBruins11]

He has 25 primary assists, he leads the NHL in primary points. A 1st assist is as valuable as a goal, not sure how you can watch hockey and not recognize that.

and Pastrnak leads the league in Goals

 

[The Podium]

ahh picking on Injured Bergeron now are we... Bergeron is at 1.37PPG

and in what world has Kadri every been better than Marchand LMAO

Marchand:

2016-17	Boston Bruins	NHL	80	39	46	85	81	18	6	1	3	4	6
2017-18	Boston Bruins	NHL	68	34	51	85	63	25	12	4	13	17	16
2018-19	Boston Bruins	NHL	24	6	17	23	70	1

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Kadri:

2016-17	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	82	32	29	61	95	-7	6	1	1	2	8
2017-18	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	80	32	23	55	42	2	4	0	2	2	19
2018-19	Toronto Maple Leafs	NHL	25	7	8	15	14	-8

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You are proving my point genius. Pastrnak had the benefit of playing with Marchand and Bergeron, Marner played with Marleau and Kadri, who while good arent the same calibre as the Boston pair.

 

[BostonBruins11]

You probably never noticed that Marchand and Bergeron's production skyrocked ONLY after Pastrnak(healthy) joined their line

 

[BostonBruins11]

90% of Pastrnaks Goals are individual efforts. You would know this if you bothered looking at his goal highlights this year and last year.

 

[authentic]

and Pastrnak leads the league in Goals

Marner has the most primary assists since Lemieux in 2002-03 after 25 games, more than Crosby in 2010-11 and has more points and primary points than Pastrnak while being better defensively. He's a better player, but yes they're both great.

 

[The Podium]

90% of Pastrnaks Goals are individual efforts. You would know this if you bothered looking at his goal highlights this year and last year.

You probably never noticed that Marchand and Bergeron's production skyrocked ONLY after Pastrnak(healthy) joined their line

My good friend is a bruins fan and probably watch the Bruins more than any team outside Toronto. Marchand and Bergeron's production skyrocketed when used in an offensive capacity for the first time in their careers. I am sure Pasta had something to do with it, like I said he is not a passenger but still clearly the worst of the 3. But the main reason was that they were no longer being used solely as a shutdown pair.

And yes, Pasta is good, but Marchand and Bergeron are a contributing factor to that. 90% is a hyperbole, but even the cases of individual efforts a lot has to do with the other 2 drawing away the opposition. Teams cant double team Pasta like they can other great goal scorers because Marchand and Bergeron are a similar threat.

 

[authentic]

You probably never noticed that Marchand and Bergeron's production skyrocked ONLY after Pastrnak(healthy) joined their line

Pastrnak and Marchand went 5 games without a goal when Bergeron got injured. Of course he can create on his own, not as consistently as Marner can though. He'll be the better offensive player for the rest of their careers.

 

[jvcjdudu jcycyxjene]

McDavid already is. Marner is equal to Rants (I was wrong to doubt him) and Tkachuk will score with his ass with those two.

How is Marner equal to Rants?

 

[Plural]

How is Marner equal to Rants?

He's close at least. Or maybe I'm just having a case of man crush. I reallylike Marner

 

[Jetcetera]

Marner has 5 more points in 1 more game, is significantly better defensively and doesnt have 2 linemates better than him to play with

Anyone who isnt a Toronto fan can recognize that pastrnak is better than marner.

 

[TMLeafs17]

I’d love to see that first line play. Marner and Tkachuk would be great together me thinks.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

McDavid scores 50 with Marner