OT: Strange Ray Bourque stat
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I'd be curious to know how many of those minus seasons came toward the end when they were basically one and done in the first round.
I'd also have to imagine he was a minus in the Oilers series and the Penguins series.
I was a youngin at the time though so just a shot in the dark.
Donnie Shulzhoffer
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I don't want to see one post from the folks in the Kessel thread that stated +/- is not a good stat to judge a player. 
I just checked out his playoff stats at http://www.nhl.com/ice/player.htm?id=8445621
Their +/- numbers don't add up. It looks as though his Bruin year total should be +9 in the playoffs if you simply add and subtract each individual playoff season. Weird.
In any event, you're right about the 7 straight years with a minus. The one mitigating factor: in 4 of those years, Bruins lost in the first round, so you'd almost expect him to be a minus. How he ended up a minus in 1991 when they went to the Conference Finals is awfully surprising.
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Their +/- numbers don't add up. It looks as though his Bruin year total should be +9 in the playoffs if you simply add and subtract each individual playoff season. Weird.
In any event, you're right about the 7 straight years with a minus. The one mitigating factor: in 4 of those years, Bruins lost in the first round, so you'd almost expect him to be a minus. How he ended up a minus in 1991 when they went to the Conference Finals is awfully surprising.
--BCN
As far as +/- goes, some rough years in there. -10 in 12 games in 92 -5 in 5 for 95.
88 he was +16, so I'm not sure how much the Edmonton idea holds up. I wasn't even born then, so can't comment.
Definitely interesting Lou, good find. I don't think +/- means much without context of the rest of the team, but certainly very odd.
88 he was +16, so I'm not sure how much the Edmonton idea holds up. I wasn't even born then, so can't comment.
Definitely interesting Lou, good find. I don't think +/- means much without context of the rest of the team, but certainly very odd.
Scotto74
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considering the Bruins lost more then they won in the playoffs when he played on the team and the fact he played just about 60 mins a game this stat does not shock me.
RussellmaniaKW
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well the Bruins in that era never managed to go all the way and many attribute that to Sinden and co. never really giving them the supporting cast needed to do so. Maybe Ray's playoff +/- is just a reflection of the fact that the team was built to be a playoff team but not a contender?
Yeah I'm with you, it's a bit surprising.. I remember him being pretty dominant during that run. I'm guessing his +/- took a decent hit after that Pit series; they had a ton of goals (I blame Moog
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Dennis Bonvie
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Has a lot to do with his back finally giving out in April & May after carry the Bruins on it into the playoffs.
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TheReal13Linseman
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Seriously. For all the ball washing Chara gets, he's nowhere near the defenseman Ray was.
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EverettMike
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Not sure I agree with that. He was trying to trade Bourque to a contender so he could get a cup. It's not like he was opening him up to any team. Rolston was a pretty good return for a guy at the end of the road.
robert terwilliger
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chara managed to do what ray couldn't though, lead his team to the finals and win.
bourque joined an all-star team at the right time.
BigGoalBrad
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Think we just became old and overrated somewhat overnight in the early 90s.
In NHL 93 we are only a 5 rating for most positions and those ratings were based on what were projected to be fall of 1992. That 93 Rangers team that was actually awful was a 9 in most of those categories.
In NHL 93 we are only a 5 rating for most positions and those ratings were based on what were projected to be fall of 1992. That 93 Rangers team that was actually awful was a 9 in most of those categories.
BigGoalBrad
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Bourque was hands down the best D man of his generation its embarrassing to see a Bruin fan slam him. And he'd have a Cup if Sinden didn't subtract from the team every single season in his prime due to cheapness.
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robert terwilliger
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Ray was leaned on heavily by the Bruins for years. That shows up in the P.Os when playing the best of the NHL for those years. He was often targeted in the POs as the way to get past the Bruins. Wear Ray down and the rest of the team would fall like dominoes. Often times they did.
I love BigZ and thank him for bringing us the cup, but he is not Ray Bourque. Ray was a machine, the puck would go into the corner and he'd come out with it. You'd have to watch game after game to spot a flub along the boards. Where as with Mr. Z it's a nightly occurrence. Not his fault, he has a tough time with smaller players and when the puck is in his feet. There's very few players who ever made it off the wall with Z riding them, but Ray would come out with it on his stick.
2 different excellent defensemen with different assets.
I love BigZ and thank him for bringing us the cup, but he is not Ray Bourque. Ray was a machine, the puck would go into the corner and he'd come out with it. You'd have to watch game after game to spot a flub along the boards. Where as with Mr. Z it's a nightly occurrence. Not his fault, he has a tough time with smaller players and when the puck is in his feet. There's very few players who ever made it off the wall with Z riding them, but Ray would come out with it on his stick.
2 different excellent defensemen with different assets.
EverettMike
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The other guys sucked and they blew the pick. That trade should have been a major rebuilding moment. It wasn't.
Get real, Chara will go down as one of If not the Best " defenseman " to ever wear a B's uniform.
And is great captain/leader that help the Bruins get back to relevancy. Ray had many chances to win a cup with some great teams yet could not get it done.
He should have been traded long before he was to start a rebuild
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Fire Sweeney
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Ray skates circles around Chara. Also, he wasn't "injured" or "tired" in the playoffs like Chara is every single year.
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