Stop labeling Vegas players as cast offs or misfits

[dkhockey]

To make it sound like a charming Hollywood Cinderella story. That everyone should root for.......... They were handpicked in a shady draft!

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[Mortivore]

Mkay. Love your arguments.

1. Line is def cast offs. Vegas gets a 1. Round pick to take Karsson. Florida give them March and Smith for a 4. Round pick.

 

[Refuse]

To make it sound like a charming Hollywood Cinderella story. That everyone should root for.......... They were handpicked in a shady draft!

It doesn't really matter what we label them, it's what they call themselves. Golden misfits.

 

[Kevs Security]

This is what I've been saying. Never mind Karlsson's outlier season but why the heck are you calling guys like Neal, Marchessault and Fleury outcasts? And name me one team that wouldn't like to have Haula and Tuch in their lineup. Real outcasts would be like players already quit NHL and gone to Europe.

 

[hangman005]

This is what I've been saying. Never mind Karlsson's outlier season but why the heck are you calling guys like Neal, Marchessault and Fleury outcasts? And name me one team that wouldn't like to have Haula and Tuch in their lineup. Real outcasts would be like players already quit NHL and gone to Europe.

Outcasts..... sure I could buy that argument... but castoffs.... that’s what they were whether it was willing or not.

I hate the argument they are not cast offs because their teams wanted to keep them.... what is this measured against... losing no one? At the end of the day whether teams wanted to or not these were players who were deemed expendable by their teams.

 

[Armourboy]

Outcasts..... sure I could buy that argument... but castoffs.... that’s what they were whether it was willing or not.

I hate the argument they are not cast offs because their teams wanted to keep them.... what is this measured against... losing no one? At the end of the day whether teams wanted to or not these were players who were deemed expendable by their teams.

They would be cast offs if teams hand picked a guy and said, here you can have him. I'm pretty sure if David Poile had a choice to cast someone off his team, it probably would have been Matt Irwin, not James Neal.

Teams had to make some pretty damn hard choices this go around, unlike in the 90's where everyone was handing out their garbage or players about to retire.

 

[Merc29]

Why are people still shocked by this? They're NHL players who play NHL hockey for a living and people keep saying, "OMG! how is this possible that a team in their first season are in the finals?!? How could this be?!?"

The only people who don't deserve to this is, and I'm sorry but, the Las Vegas fan base. They did not go through the hard-ships of sucking for multiple year, watching their team trade away their star players and go through a "rebuilding" phase. Yeah, good for you should it happen, but you really won't appreciate what you have here unless you go through years of missing the playoffs and finally being apart of it.

But, yeah, I agree with the title of this page. The players don't need to be called cast-offs or misfits

 

[Newsworthy]

Yeah this isn't the movie Major League or is it 1980 US team.

 

[Newsworthy]

Outcasts..... sure I could buy that argument... but castoffs.... that’s what they were whether it was willing or not.

I hate the argument they are not cast offs because their teams wanted to keep them.... what is this measured against... losing no one? At the end of the day whether teams wanted to or not these were players who were deemed expendable by their teams.

Their is a legal definition for the word castoff.
Unwanted and discarded they were not.

 

[Kranix]

 

[Ezekial]

Stop making these threads

 

[Whaleafs]

> generic username & avatar

What's your hidden agenda here ?

 

[hangman005]

Their is a legal definition for the word castoff.
Unwanted and discarded they were not.

Well according to the legal dictionary, unwanted isn’t mentioned at all.

From a standard dictionary it depends whose definition you use, some include unwanted others do not.

As for discarded in essence any eligible player not protected was discarded, all that mattered was which player would not be regathered by their team.

 

[tony d]

That's what they are though. They're a group made up of guys almost noone wanted. I'm meh on their success, myself, but even I'll say they're quite the story.

 

[mitchmagic]

Salty.

 

[KCC]

Yeah this isn't the movie Major League or is it 1980 US team.

Their not. It’s even more impressive

 

[sr edler]

Never mind Karlsson's outlier season but why the heck are you calling guys like Neal, Marchessault and Fleury outcasts?

Marchessault is a textbook cast off and it's understandable if he has a chip on his shoulder. Tallon used him as a simple thrown in for Vegas to take on R. Smith's contract and decided to protect such formidable players as Pysyk, Petrovic and Nick Bjugstad instead (the latter being Tallon's first pick ever as a Florida GM). Why even protect those players? There's no way McPhee would have taken any of them anyway, and even if he did then so what? Wouldn't even be surprised if Tallon thought "you can't teach size" since Bjugstad is 7 inches taller than Marchessault.

 

[Pens x]

The teams did protect 11 other players ahead of the players on Vegas...

There were other factors involved besides skill obviously, but I would have a chip on my shoulder if I were these guys.

This expansion draft just exposes the errors of a bunch of GM’s. Tallon is a f***ing joke and should be fired. The storyline is both McPhee and the other inept GM’s.

 

[hockeykicker]

The teams did protect 11 other players ahead of the players on Vegas...

thats really not true. its based off positions, not any 11 players
but you have to remember, some teams are just stacked in certain positions. for example. caps were only able to protect three defenders, they protected niskanen, orlov and carlson, leaving schmidt to be taken

 

[Pens x]

thats really not true. its based off positions, not any 11 players
but you have to remember, some teams are just stacked in certain positions. for example. caps were only able to protect three defenders, they protected niskanen, orlov and carlson, leaving schmidt to be taken

Then offer Washington a pick if you value a certain player.

 

[deckercky]

thats really not true. its based off positions, not any 11 players
but you have to remember, some teams are just stacked in certain positions. for example. caps were only able to protect three defenders, they protected niskanen, orlov and carlson, leaving schmidt to be taken

There was the option to protect any 8 skaters and 1 goalie, so ignoring non-eligible prospects and teams loaded with NMCs on undeserving players (net effect is more being protected), teams were able to protect the 9 most important players on their team. Neal was a funny case given contractual status, and other good players or picks were offered to protect what GMs decided were more valuable players, but the standard the team should be viewed from is that only the least valuable player from the top two lines was available.

 

[Dr Pepper]

Seriously?

They're a team of misfits. As in, they didn't fit on their old teams, and were left unprotected.

Why's this so hard for you to understand?

 

[mad4comp]

They're a team of misfits. As in, they didn't fit on their old teams, and were left unprotected.

So that's the only reason players were left unprotected? You sure James Neal didn't "fit" on the Preds? Or Nate Schmidt didn't "fit" on the Caps?

 

[Styles]

Why do such stupid things bother people?

 

[Dr Pepper]

So that's the only reason players were left unprotected? You sure James Neal didn't "fit" on the Preds? Or Nate Schmidt didn't "fit" on the Caps?

Yep, pretty much. If they did, those teams would've moved pieces around to make them fit, leaving a lesser player unprotected. But if you factor in performance and contracts, Neal was the odd man out for the Preds.

I don't think David Poile would change his keeper picks if he had the chance. Do you?

The only exception to this would be Fleury, I think, given Pittsburgh's situation in goal and Fleury's contract stipulations.