Confirmed Trade: [STL/BUF] Ryan O'Reilly for 2019 1st, 2021 2nd, Patrik Berglund, Vladimir Sobotka, and Tage Thompson

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Dbrownss

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Really? But they got seemingly no true asset back, unless the 2019 1st ends up being a good value pick which we won't know for a while. They could have gotten a blue chip prospect IMO that would matter later on down the road.
He didn't though while being openly available. I think his low end 1C production and 7.5m cap hit didnt put him in that tier. Buffalo good a solid return, just not what fans expected. Buffalo was determined to move him and took what they could get
Left side of defense is weak and although they have "good" centres, they lack an elite talent at centre. Insane depth though. I also dislike St.Louis's goaltending.
Left is not weak, just not as rediculous as the right side. We actually have more NHL depth on the left then right. I think the centers are better then good but not amazing. Goaltending is trash....no argument there.
everyone i know was pretty much ecstatic that we dropped sobotka and berglund. They thought the second pick was a lil much but over all not one of my friends disliked the trade.
you could make the argument the 2nd paid to dump Sobokta and Berglund. Blues were trying to move them for awhile, with no takers, you can assume they were cap dumps
 

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Left side of defense is weak and although they have "good" centres, they lack an elite talent at centre. Insane depth though. I also dislike St.Louis's goaltending.

Left side is weaker than the right side but it is still very good, and deep. If you think of Edmundson as a #2, he is a bit over-matched. But Parayko is our #2. Edmundson compares favorably to #3 D throughout the league. Dunn is young but has a lot more upside left to tap. He will be good. We also have a giant of a Finnish prospect named Mikkola who will be coming to North America and skates like Parayko. He played 20+ minutes in Finnish men's league. He will be an really good 3rd pairing guy soon. Until then we have a hopefully healthy Bouwmeester as our 3rd pair, who despite slowing down, will be a strong middle pair guy if healthy. So a healthy Bouwmeester as a stop gap and a couple of young guys who will improve and step-up. We are fine on the left given our top 2 both play right side. Goaltending, you got us there, it is an issue. We are hoping our prospect, Husso pans out. He was AHL first-rookie team goalie and 4th in save percentage. He will be the starter in 2-3 years if everything breaks right. If Thomas develops like he should, we still won't have an elite C, but will have 3 low-end 1Cs which is insane depth.

So we are ok on LD, only to gett better. And we have an internal solution at goal. We won't win the cup this coming year, but with the right breaks (every cup winner needs some breaks), we can be a strong contender.
 

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He didn't though while being openly available. I think his low end 1C production and 7.5m cap hit didnt put him in that tier. Buffalo good a solid return, just not what fans expected. Buffalo was determined to move him and took what they could get

Left is not weak, just not as rediculous as the right side. We actually have more NHL depth on the left then right. I think the centers are better then good but not amazing. Goaltending is trash....no argument there.
you could make the argument the 2nd paid to dump Sobokta and Berglund. Blues were trying to move them for awhile, with no takers, you can assume they were cap dumps
I agree it didnt bother me especially with the 2nd being 3 years away. As for the cap dump argument. I am still one that belives berglund and sobotka hold value but not much since they were over paid. Still I was extremely impressed with the deal. Didnt include any of our prospects or young studs. and we gained almost a mil in cap.
 
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He didn't though while being openly available. I think his low end 1C production and 7.5m cap hit didnt put him in that tier. Buffalo good a solid return, just not what fans expected. Buffalo was determined to move him and took what they could get

I know ROR had some very tough usage in Buffalo, but his 5 on 5 scoring was not close to 1C levels. I expect it to improve on a better team, but he wasn't going to get a 1C-level return.
 

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I know ROR had some very tough usage in Buffalo, but his 5 on 5 scoring was not close to 1C levels. I expect it to improve on a better team, but he wasn't going to get a 1C-level return.
Hey......Schenn was a PP specialist till he came to St. Louis ;).

Honestly, as long as he keeps the 55+pt production, weather that's PP or ES, well be very happy
 

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I know ROR had some very tough usage in Buffalo, but his 5 on 5 scoring was not close to 1C levels. I expect it to improve on a better team, but he wasn't going to get a 1C-level return.
5v5 scoring is tricky. You can't predict it from 1 team to another, sometimes not even 1 season to another while being on the same team. Just like we saw in Schenn, I don't put much into it. ROR could have magic chemistry with Tarasenko like Schenn had with Schwartz, or could be like Stastny and just not ever develop that magic with any of the wingers. 1 could be a 70 point player and the other could just be 50.

I do think he'll get easier usage because Yeo doesn't seem as obsessed with matchups as other coaches. Doesn't mean that he'll get more points though.

I do wonder how much of a factor GM's put on stuff like that. For fans, it's easy to point towards those stats and over-analyze, but I wonder what actual decision-makers think.
 
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Hey......Schenn was a PP specialist till he came to St. Louis ;).

Honestly, as long as he keeps the 55+pt production, weather that's PP or ES, well be very happy
Yeah, he just has to be better than Stastny and fans will be happy. If he matches Backes, great, if he exceeds, then even better. He definitely has the ability to exceed Backes, but I think he'll come in and have a Backes-type impact. Selke-defense with solid 1st line production, but not enough production carry the load in the playoffs. We'll have to depend on 2 of those lines with Schenn centering the other.
 
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Yeah, he just has to be better than Stastny and fans will be happy. If he matches Backes, great, if he exceeds, then even better. He definitely has the ability to exceed Backes, but I think he'll come in and have a Backes-type impact. Selke-defense with solid 1st line production, but not enough production carry the load in the playoffs. We'll have to depend on 2 of those lines with Schenn centering the other.
Him not being injured for half the season will be better then stastny...lol. only slight hyperbole
 
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Him not being injured for half the season will be better then stastny...lol. only slight hyperbole
Absolutely. With Stastny, you have to factor in having to play a winger at center or a 3rd/4th line at center for 20ish games.

How many points in the standings will we gain by having ROR for a full seasons instead of Brodziak/Barbashev/Berglund/whoever else for 20ish games?
 
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I didn’t think moving him was a good idea for Buffalo, prior to the trade. Moreso now after seeing the return.
 

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Absolutely. With Stastny, you have to factor in having to play a winger at center or a 3rd/4th line at center for 20ish games.

How many points in the standings will we gain by having ROR for a full seasons instead of Brodziak/Barbashev/Berglund/whoever else for 20ish games?
Getting Bozak and O'Reilly in the same day was great for this team. Having a 3C who can put up 40+pts is going to be a big change for Stl. Hopefully Schenn can have a repeat. I pegged him for 70-80pts even when he was on the 90+pt pace. If nothing catastrophic happens, Blues may have the best center depth in central. We dont have a McKinnon or Seguin but were deeper.
 

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5v5 scoring is tricky. You can't predict it from 1 team to another, sometimes not even 1 season to another while being on the same team. Just like we saw in Schenn, I don't put much into it. ROR could have magic chemistry with Tarasenko like Schenn had with Schwartz, or could be like Stastny and just not ever develop that magic with any of the wingers. 1 could be a 70 point player and the other could just be 50.

I do think he'll get easier usage because Yeo doesn't seem as obsessed with matchups as other coaches. Doesn't mean that he'll get more points though.

I do wonder how much of a factor GM's put on stuff like that. For fans, it's easy to point towards those stats and over-analyze, but I wonder what actual decision-makers think.
also consider the fact ROR played on BUF, the worst EVGF team in the league. They had 140 goals on the year, by contrast STL had 180. BUF has been bottom 3 in EVGF for ROR's entire time there
 

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also consider the fact ROR played on BUF, the worst EVGF team in the league. They had 140 goals on the year, by contrast STL had 180. BUF has been bottom 3 in EVGF for ROR's entire time there
That doesn't mean his production improves. That stat alone could also just say that the Blues have much deeper depth than Buffalo, which is true. ROR might get a small tick up if he's with Schwartz or Tarasenko because they are better goal scorers than Buffalo, but a big portion of that gap is defensive scoring and a capable 3rd line.
 

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That doesn't mean his production improves. That stat alone could also just say that the Blues have much deeper depth than Buffalo, which is true. ROR might get a small tick up if he's with Schwartz or Tarasenko because they are better goal scorers than Buffalo, but a big portion of that gap is defensive scoring and a capable 3rd line.

The Blues didn't have a competent 3rd line all last year. They had a good 4th line and a crappy 4th line playing as a 3rd line until Berglund got back.
 

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The Blues didn't have a competent 3rd line all last year. They had a good 4th line and a crappy 4th line playing as a 3rd line until Berglund got back.
Compare it to Buffalo. I'm not saying we had a good 3rd line, but it was capable in terms of scoring. Our problem was our 2nd line couldn't live up to what it needed to be. We had 4ish top 6 players for the bulk of the season. That's one of the reasons there was a huge gap in 5v5 scoring between the teams. That won't affect ROR's change in production in any way. That was the context.
 

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Pretty dumb trade by us. Always fun to tell your fellow fans this is a bad idea and the return will not be good enough, have it happen, and then have the same sheep fans bleat about how RoR was a cancer and the culture change is key, despite the fact that O’Reilly is one of the hardest workers in the league, unlike other star players we have...

Also comforting to see every Blues fan be totally fine with what was traded out, not a single piece that hurt.

ya for Hughes I guess.
 

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He didn't though while being openly available. I think his low end 1C production and 7.5m cap hit didnt put him in that tier. Buffalo good a solid return, just not what fans expected. Buffalo was determined to move him and took what they could get

Left is not weak, just not as rediculous as the right side. We actually have more NHL depth on the left then right. I think the centers are better then good but not amazing. Goaltending is trash....no argument there.
you could make the argument the 2nd paid to dump Sobokta and Berglund. Blues were trying to move them for awhile, with no takers, you can assume they were cap dumps
I know for a fact the Blues were not attempting to dump Berglund with no takers, for a while. Plenty of teams would have traded for him had we made him available.
 

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Congrats, you liked where you lived. I honestly think that's awesome. Not sure that what I had to say about it would mean anything to you then, unless you feel deep down I am right. Otherwise, my opinion wouldn't matter. Except that it's a shared opinion by many others.

I've been to Buffalo, would never return. I honestly don't know or care about what happened in the city 100 years ago. I am sure it was a great city then, as others in the US were too. Detroit, Cleveland. In fact what you said actually adds to my argument. All of these cities were great, they aren't any longer.

You also rattled off a ton of things that wouldn't happen in the city, hunting, fishing, camping. Honestly if that is your bag, there aren't too many places in all of the US that can't fit those bills. Colorado has all that too. In fact, I can't think of a state in the union that doesn't.

Like I said, I feel bad for the actual fans because nobody of any significance is going to want to be there. It's not a nice place. Cleveland got lucky with LeBron to grow up there and for him to give them a championship, by the sweat of his brow. Maybe someday buffalo can get lucky too, or perhaps return to being a great city again.



Yeah it's not a nice? I have lived coast to coast and there are in fact some nice cities and gems everywhere like San Diego but your take on it doesn't matter just like your comment "I've been to Buffalo" People and athletes alike that never lived in Western New York just read the headlines of "snow" and that makes your opinion. This place has 4 seasons with a Lake to the west that creates similar conditions to San Diego when it's not winter. There is more to do in this city all year around because of the 4 seasons and when ranking weather it is important to take into account of what you can do with it. I can do everything that San Diego does at times throughout the year , like go to the beach, festivals everywhere for every nationality, bike ride, run, boating etc. but I can't snow mobile, ski, sled, or play pond hockey in San Dog. I understand there is a correlation to fair weather all year and hot little bikini bodies running around but once you land one there is not a better place to bring them to
but here in western New York to raise a family.
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US Cities with Best Weather… Drum Roll Please!



Just when you think you’ve heard it all, Buffalo continues to surprise. This time, Buffalo has ended up at the top of a surprising list – a weather ranking actually.
Instead of closing your eyes and plugging your ears, you might want to hear what Weather Underground has to say.

Buffalo was recently ranked #1 when it comes to US cities with the best weather. After reading this, there’s probably not one person out there that didn’t raise an eyebrow or cough. And if you think that this is a big joke… think again. The rating results are being broadcasted everywhere, from local TV stations to online gaming sites. Readers on this particular site had a good chuckle in the comment section.

“But when you start to look at time spent outdoors, you learn what conditions truly have mass appeal. An average temperature of 78 degrees might sound ideal but when you see activity drop significantly during the middle of the day because it’s 100 degrees outside, you get a truer sense of how the weather is being used.”

Is Bartoo surprised to see Buffalo surpass a big-name weather city like San Diego? “Not really,” he says. “Each benefits from having a big body of water just to the west, which really moderates temperature and gives a broad inventory of usable outdoor time. San Diego is starting to face some population issues that impact the weather — like air quality — and that’s a problem a smaller city like Buffalo doesn’t have.”
OnPoint goes on to say that the results were compiled over the last decade, not just this past year. Obviously it snows in Buffalo, and some winters are worse than others. If you don’t like snow, then Buffalo’s not for you. Spring, summer and fall are incredible… and if you like winter as well, then Buffalo is the place to be. There’s something to be said about living in a four season city.
 

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I can always count on responses like this from you.

I have connections.

Ok. I love vague responses. Berglund got sat last season. Berglund was openly shopped to Columbus and at the trade deadline last year. More than 1 reporter said that Armstrong was trying to move Berglund and Sobotka last year at the trade deadline so there is evidence that contradicts what you're saying. Berglund and Sobotka were moved to offset salary. It seems to be Armstrong was trying to move Sobotka and Berglund. He wanted something in return, but he was trying to get rid of those two contracts.

I'm not trying to be combative with you, by the way. I'm genuinely curious what "connections" you have.
 
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