jekoh
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And this has nothing to do with the fact the NHL is a North American league, obviously ?turnbuckle said:In fact, the US has produced more NHL goalies than any nation other than Canada,
And this has nothing to do with the fact the NHL is a North American league, obviously ?turnbuckle said:In fact, the US has produced more NHL goalies than any nation other than Canada,
Was not true before two years ago.Jenkki #13 said:Finland: - fantastic goaltending,
Agreed. In 2002 SLC we had Hurme and Markkanen(?)..jekoh said:Was not true before two years ago.
He was being sarcastic as Sweden always beat Finland in big games.johnny_rudeboy said:Sweden lucky?
jekoh said:And this has nothing to do with the fact the NHL is a North American league, obviously ?
turnbuckle said:There's no lack of European skaters in the league - it is a world league, obviously.
Are you trying to tell me there are a whole bunch of goalies in europe that are good enough to play in the NHL but don't bother because it is a North American league? I'd like to see that list.
I don't mind a good debate, but often when it involves European posters, logic seems to be thrown out the window and the debate comes down to a "Us against them" mentality.
There's not a poster here that can logically claim that ANY nation other than Canada has produced more NHL-calibre goalies in the past 20 years than the Americans.
Here are some american goales that have played in the NHL in the past two decades.
Vanbiesbrouck
Richter
Miller
Esche
Dipietro
Barrasso
Dunham
Snow
Mason
Janecyk
Johnson
Jablonski
Grahame
Hebert
Carey
Casey
Rhodes
Terreri
Stauber
Ellis
Bacashihua
Anderson
Sauve
Morrison
Thomas
Clemmenson
Countless all-star appearances, and several Vezina and Calder trophy winners. No - they weren't all superstars, but neither were the likes of Takko, Salo, Hedberg, etc.
Someone come up with a list of Swedish, Finnish, Russian, Slovakian and Czech goalies in the past 20 years. After you get past the first half dozen or so goalies form each country, the list gets pretty weak, doesn't it?
turnbuckle said:I don't mind a good debate, but often when it involves European posters, logic seems to be thrown out the window and the debate comes down to a "Us against them" mentality.
turnbuckle said:There's no lack of European skaters in the league - it is a world league, obviously.
turnbuckle said:There's no lack of European skaters in the league - it is a world league, obviously.
Are you trying to tell me there are a whole bunch of goalies in europe that are good enough to play in the NHL but don't bother because it is a North American league? I'd like to see that list.
Well, two of my all-time favourite goalies are american, Beezer and Thomas, but since Richter I don't feel the US has had a clear cut #1 go-to-guy like most other countries.turnbuckle said:There's no lack of European skaters in the league - it is a world league, obviously.
Are you trying to tell me there are a whole bunch of goalies in europe that are good enough to play in the NHL but don't bother because it is a North American league? I'd like to see that list.
I don't mind a good debate, but often when it involves European posters, logic seems to be thrown out the window and the debate comes down to a "Us against them" mentality.
There's not a poster here that can logically claim that ANY nation other than Canada has produced more NHL-calibre goalies in the past 20 years than the Americans.
Here are some american goales that have played in the NHL in the past two decades.
Vanbiesbrouck
Richter
Miller
Esche
Dipietro
Barrasso
Dunham
Snow
Mason
Janecyk
Johnson
Jablonski
Grahame
Hebert
Carey
Casey
Rhodes
Terreri
Stauber
Ellis
Bacashihua
Anderson
Sauve
Morrison
Thomas
Clemmenson
Countless all-star appearances, and several Vezina and Calder trophy winners. No - they weren't all superstars, but neither were the likes of Takko, Salo, Hedberg, etc.
Someone come up with a list of Swedish, Finnish, Russian, Slovakian and Czech goalies in the past 20 years. After you get past the first half dozen or so goalies form each country, the list gets pretty weak, doesn't it?
llwyd said:I would add one thing for Finland: collapses in finals...
Matti_A said:Well, two of my all-time favourite goalies are american, Beezer and Thomas, but since Richter I don't feel the US has had a clear cut #1 go-to-guy like most other countries.
It's not a world league, some European players choose to play in their country rather than in NA, whether you admit it or not.turnbuckle said:There's no lack of European skaters in the league - it is a world league, obviously.
johnny_rudeboy said:It just feels as if every team (not only NHL) have a Finnish back up and atleast one Finnish goalie drafted for the future. That´s´why the stereo type about Finland producing alot of goalies. And remember people this thread was about stereo types, dont have to be factual.
Joretus said:I have to say about goalies that it's totally different in one way. Ie. Bäckström/Norrena from Finland would easily be top-3 goalies in most of NHL teams. But they want to play, they don't want to play AHL and maybe even make less money. Same time for US goalie it's totally different. You are in home country and it's first option, even AHL before going over to europe. If you are player there is much more room. And even players in 3-4 lines do get to play. But ie. 2nd goalie in NJ hardly ever plays. So some european vets don't want to go over to sit in bench.
And if you will compare how many players vs goalies there is from USA in NHL or same thing with finnish players&goalies you will see totally different ratio. Even with this situation I did mention above.
I did fast counting and I came up with number of 22.2% all NHL'ers of Finland being goalies this season. And about yankees it's like ~13%.
Garbs said:A little surprised to not see the word "trap" associated with Finland so far. I guess we're all being PC.
Also, Finland and goaltending? How about the Czech Republic and goaltending? That's been their entire identity for the past decade.
I'd say scoring wingers trumps goaltenders in the Czech RepublicGarbs said:A little surprised to not see the word "trap" associated with Finland so far. I guess we're all being PC.
Also, Finland and goaltending? How about the Czech Republic and goaltending? That's been their entire identity for the past decade.
You also forget that 20 years ago it'd be much harder to find a european goaltender in the league.turnbuckle said:There's no lack of European skaters in the league - it is a world league, obviously.
Are you trying to tell me there are a whole bunch of goalies in europe that are good enough to play in the NHL but don't bother because it is a North American league? I'd like to see that list.
I don't mind a good debate, but often when it involves European posters, logic seems to be thrown out the window and the debate comes down to a "Us against them" mentality.
There's not a poster here that can logically claim that ANY nation other than Canada has produced more NHL-calibre goalies in the past 20 years than the Americans.
Here are some american goales that have played in the NHL in the past two decades.
Vanbiesbrouck
Richter
Miller
Esche
Dipietro
Barrasso
Dunham
Snow
Mason
Janecyk
Johnson
Jablonski
Grahame
Hebert
Carey
Casey
Rhodes
Terreri
Stauber
Ellis
Bacashihua
Anderson
Sauve
Morrison
Thomas
Clemmenson
Countless all-star appearances, and several Vezina and Calder trophy winners. No - they weren't all superstars, but neither were the likes of Takko, Salo, Hedberg, etc.
Someone come up with a list of Swedish, Finnish, Russian, Slovakian and Czech goalies in the past 20 years. After you get past the first half dozen or so goalies form each country, the list gets pretty weak, doesn't it?
Tighina said:Belarus: potatoes, putting icepack on top of head, smallish head-standing goalies, potatoes, skating upright, taking shots from red line because, hey, why not?, potatoes, dream socre: 1-1, nandrolone injected with same suringe for whole team... did I mention potatoes?
Kazakhstan: a token Asian guy, the famed Torpedo Ust-Kamenogorsk knee-in-the-groin defensive positioning, dream score: 0-0, fixin' a tie with Ukraine as a survival strategy if enough horses are raised for bribe, one and a half ice-rinks, an extremely poor man's Latvia, which is an indigent man's Russia, which is a drunken idiot's USSR.
futurcorerock said:I'd say scoring wingers trumps goaltenders in the Czech Republic