Statistical Comparison Toronto - Pittsburgh

[Defense]

Toronto and Pittsburgh have a lot of the same stats!

Toronto Pittsburgh (and LA) are 11-6-0






G/G 2.88
G/A 2.35
5-5 GA/GF 1.16
PP% 21.7
PK% 83.8
S/G 26.7
SA/G 36.5


James Van Riemsdyk - Tyler Bozak - Phil Kessel
Nikolai Kulemin - Nazem Kadri - Joffrey Lupul
Mason Raymond - David Bolland - David Clarkson
Fraser McLaren - Jay McClement - Colten Orr

Dion Phaneuf - Carl Gunnarsson
Jake Gardiner - Morgan Rielly
Mark Fraser - Franson
Paul Ranger

Jonathan Bernier
James Reimer







G/G 2.88
G/A 2.35
5-5 GA/GF 1.03
PP% 21.7 (LA PP% = 21.5)
PK% 83.7 (LA PP% = 81.2)
S/G 37.2
SA/G 27.2


Chris Kunitz - Sidney Crosby (C) - Pascal Dupuis
Jussi Jokinen - Evgeni Malkin (A) - Jayson Megna
Tanner Glass - Brandon Sutter - Craig Adams
Dustin Jeffrey - Joe Vitale - Deryk Engelland

Brooks Orpik (A) - Paul Martin
Matt Niskanen - Kris Letang
Oli Maatta - Robert Bortuzzo

Marc-Andre Fleury
Jeff Zatkoff



I was surprised to see how many stats were the same including special team percentages and goals for and against. I found this looking down the standings of the entire NHL.

Made me want to see an open discussion discussing the play of the 2 teams, from stats, to systems, to players, injuries, coaches, etc...

Discuss.

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[Tdot Soldier]

small sample size. discuss when more relevant.

 

[Mindrust]

I've noticed this too, but the similarities stop there. Pens play a far better game, usually. We've mostly looked horrible, even when we've won.

 

[Confucius]

so are the Pens also the Anticorsi?

 

[Trainspotter]

I've noticed this too, but the similarities stop there. Pens play a far better game, usually. We've mostly looked horrible, even when we've won.

I find that, in general, people tend to believe teams in other cities that they don't watch as often or with as much emotional investment play better than they do.

We've seen this iteration of the Leafs make the Pens look ordinary both this season and last in head-to-head play.

 

[yakfish]

The biggest difference is in the "Shots For" and "Shots Against" categories.

 

[Stephen]

I don't know if Pittsburgh is even that strong of a team among the true contenders.

 

[Peasy]

They allow 10 less shots per game than us lol...

 

[Durrr]

They allow 10 less shots per game than us lol...

So what? Look at any game's shot diagram and you'll see why.

 

[MapleLeaf4ever]

small sample size. discuss when more relevant.

20% of the season is done now, the standings for the most part won't shift around much. One or two teams may blow their tires and fall off a cliff but for the most part the standings an stat position won't change much. Just a bit of back and forth as teams get hot and cold.

 

[Peasy]

So what? Look at any game's shot diagram and you'll see why.

What is that suppose to mean? How come Pitts doesn't allow as many perimeter shots then?

 

[NaiveLeafsFan]

So what? Look at any game's shot diagram and you'll see why.

We allow just as many shots in close as we do from the perimeter. Our system is clearly not an effective one.

 

[I am Canadian]

I'd be curious to see a puck possession or time in attacking zone stat.

 

[BayStreetBullies*]

They allow 10 less shots per game than us lol...

And yet both teams have allowed 40 goals in 17 GP. Or maybe the only rational explanation is that the Leafs have been lucky.

 

[wulfio*]

What is that suppose to mean? How come Pitts doesn't allow as many perimeter shots then?

because the puck is on the penguins stick more.

 

[thewave]

2x Elite centermen, check
1x Stanely cup winning tender, check
1x Perennial all star D, check
Kunitz, Neil etc, oh wait we don't have very much of any of that. At least not that level, we must be riding a statistical anomaly, ah well heave away.

 

[ULF_55]

Fleury .921
Zatkoff .865

Reimer .942
Bernier .936

 

[The Apologist]

2x Elite centermen, check
1x Stanely cup winning tender, check
1x Perennial all star D, check
Kunitz, Neil etc, oh wait we don't have very much of any of that. At least not that level, we must be riding a statistical anomaly, ah well heave away.

1x elite wingers -check
1x Stanley cup winning goalie -check (ps, I take either of our goalies over anything they have)
1x perennial all star defenseman -check

As for the rest, we've got it covered. Do we have a Crosby or Malkin? Nope. Do we have a whole lot more depth? Yup.

 

[thewave]

1x elite wingers -check
1x Stanley cup winning goalie -check (ps, I take either of our goalies over anything they have)
1x perennial all star defenseman -check

As for the rest, we've got it covered. Do we have a Crosby or Malkin? Nope. Do we have a whole lot more depth? Yup.

You think we are as good as the Penguins.......... ,,, ::((((((( ---,,' no

 

[The Apologist]

You think we are as good as the Penguins.......... ,,, ::((((((( ---,,' no

Nope. I think we're better.

 

[thewave]

Nope. I think we're better.

That team is just not firing on all cylinders ATM. If they peek at the right time they are a top contender.

Malkin looks awful.

 

[SprDaVE]

small sample size. discuss when more relevant.

We can't give Clarkson more than 10 games before judging him.

Why is this any different?

 

[The Apologist]

That team is just not firing on all cylinders ATM. If they peek at the right time they are a top contender.

Malkin looks awful.

If you ask people here, neither are we. Nor have been healthy. Yet here we are 11-6.

As for Malkin, he shows up every other season. I think the Pens (much like the Bruins and Red Wings) are highly overrated.

 

[wulfio*]

If you ask people here, neither are we. Nor have been healthy. Yet here we are 11-6.

As for Malkin, he shows up every other season. I think the Pens (much like the Bruins and Red Wings) are highly overrated.

I'm pretty sure guys with rings are not overrated.

 

[The Apologist]

I'm pretty sure guys with rings are not overrated.

Well then were set. Bernier has a ring. So does Bolland.

My point? Yes, guys with rings can quite often get overrated. Boston winning a cup in 2011, and Detroit in 2008, Pittsburgh in 2009 have zero relevance on 2014.