Movies: Star Wars - Episode IX: The Rise of Skywalker

[Pilky01]

Yeah its definitely the right call to wait as long as possible until trying to get the episode 9 hype train rolling.

 

[S E P H]

I'm personally very excited to see how this trilogy ends. For me it has been flawed but satisfying thus far.

I'm glad somebody is enjoying it. I think the third one can be good, The Force Awakens was still a solid movie besides all the unknown Mary Sue nonsense in it. TLJ though, not sure how anybody can defend that.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I'm glad somebody is enjoying it. I think the third one can be good, The Force Awakens was still a solid movie besides all the unknown Mary Sue nonsense in it. TLJ though, not sure how anybody can defend that.

I make up my own mind about what and why I like or dislike stuff. I don't spend hours looking for people to tell me how to feel.

 

[S E P H]

I make up my own mind about what and why I like or dislike stuff. I don't spend hours looking for people to tell me how to feel.

Oh absolutely, I never really trust critics...however, that doesn't mean the video I posted as irrelevant when I had the same problems with it.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I'm glad somebody is enjoying it. I think the third one can be good, The Force Awakens was still a solid movie besides all the unknown Mary Sue nonsense in it. TLJ though, not sure how anybody can defend that.

We can shoot youtube videos until our hands fall off, but we ourselves have individual opinions and are valid when discussing whether or not we like a certain movie. I liked The Last Jedi and do not think the majority of issues people have are particularly that great. Others think they are, and that's basically that.

It is unfortunate that people have felt they lost interest in the franchise, but there are a large portion of fans who are still excited and I count myself among them. And I do find it a bit frustrating that any time TLJ is brought up it has to turn into people specifically citing things that make them believe their opinion is more valid than the other.

Also I will continue to argue against the idea that "most" hated or disliked the movie. You don't have to be the majority to like/dislike a film for your perspective on what you enjoy to be valid.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Oh absolutely, I never really trust critics...however, that doesn't mean the video I posted as irrelevant when I had the same problems with it.

The title is what makes the video irrelevant. The movie has plenty of issues, a cinematic failure is hyperbolic nonsense

 

[ArGarBarGar]

I will always take a video with a grain of salt if it has big bombastic declarations in it. It's a step down from "you won't believe what happens next!" articles.

 

[MadDevil]

I'm glad people enjoyed the movie, now here's a YouTube video that says they're wrong!

 

[lostinwarsaw]

Title and trailer on Friday?

 

[x Tame Impala]

I'm glad people enjoyed the movie, now here's a YouTube video that says they're wrong!

Orrrrrrrrr not everyone enjoyed the movie and those people enjoy a critical analysis of the film's numerous issues?

The "Last Jedi was the worst Star Wars of ALL TIME!" videos are hyperbolic nonsense, but there are absolutely legitimate critiques out there

 

[Richard]

Orrrrrrrrr not everyone enjoyed the movie and those people enjoy a critical analysis of the film's numerous issues?

The "Last Jedi was the worst Star Wars of ALL TIME!" videos are hyperbolic nonsense, but there are absolutely legitimate critiques out there

I can't think of a Star Wars movie I enjoyed less. I watched it one time in theaters, was so annoyed that I left and never saw it again (record for me was attack of the clones which I saw 4 times).

Empire

New Hope
Jedi
Solo
Revenge
Rogue one

Phantom Menace

Clones


























































Last Jedi

 

[ArGarBarGar]

Orrrrrrrrr not everyone enjoyed the movie and those people enjoy a critical analysis of the film's numerous issues?

The "Last Jedi was the worst Star Wars of ALL TIME!" videos are hyperbolic nonsense, but there are absolutely legitimate critiques out there

I think his issue was the fact that someone stated they enjoyed the movie and another person felt the need to directly respond with a video featuring a disagreeing opinion (ending the post stating they don't know how anyone could defend the movie). Hence why I posted a video in response and stated that we could do this in perpetuity if we wanted to but that isn't really productive, especially when the original post is a basic "I liked this movie" post and isn't specific to anything in the movie in question, anyway.

 

[OhCaptainMyCaptain]

Orrrrrrrrr not everyone enjoyed the movie and those people enjoy a critical analysis of the film's numerous issues?

The "Last Jedi was the worst Star Wars of ALL TIME!" videos are hyperbolic nonsense, but there are absolutely legitimate critiques out there

This is similar to the issues Captain Marvel had.

There are legit criticisms out there, but it’s hard to know which are legit and which are from people who are just looking for something to complain about.

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

I enjoyed The Last Jedi. It had some very intelligent, well thought out plot points and arcs. It also had some parts that I could have done without. The true test that Disney cares about is someone like my wife, who didn't care about Star Wars until The Force Awakens and thought it was excellent.

 

[Jussi]

I enjoyed The Last Jedi. It had some very intelligent, well thought out plot points and arcs. It also had some parts that I could have done without. The true test that Disney cares about is someone like my wife, who didn't care about Star Wars until The Force Awakens and thought it was excellent.

Repeating myself again but I really liked the theme of hubris, failure and learning from it. When everything you're used to doing, falls flat on your face, do you try again the same thing or way or do you adapt. It's like do you try dump & chase to enter the zone that is guarded by a 1-4 trap, even though the other team is always prepared for it and always gets to the puck first or do you try entering the zone with short passing? There was a lot to like in that movie, especially for someone who's sick of internet speculations ruining just about every tv and movie, to actually be surprised by just about everything happening. Take out the casino planet bit, do the Leia force thing a little differently (give a hint about her actually being competent using the Force, then have her pull herself back in to ship before being sucked into space. I swear some of the old Star Wars comics had a similar bit with Vader when there was an assassination attempt by generals/admirals, he pulled himself back in after almost getting sucked into space.), and let's see what we get.

 

[Mario_is_BACK!!]

Repeating myself again but I really liked the theme of hubris, failure and learning from it. When everything you're used to doing, falls flat on your face, do you try again the same thing or way or do you adapt. It's like do you try dump & chase to enter the zone that is guarded by a 1-4 trap, even though the other team is always prepared for it and always gets to the puck first or do you try entering the zone with short passing? There was a lot to like in that movie, especially for someone who's sick of internet speculations ruining just about every tv and movie, to actually be surprised by just about everything happening. Take out the casino planet bit, do the Leia force thing a little differently (give a hint about her actually being competent using the Force, then have her pull herself back in to ship before being sucked into space. I swear some of the old Star Wars comics had a similar bit with Vader when there was an assassination attempt by generals/admirals, he pulled himself back in after almost getting sucked into space.), and let's see what we get.

Exactly. People complained that this wasn't the Luke they grew up with. Well yeah, his life changed. He failed as spectacularly as he could and hurt himself, his family, and his legacy. He's a broken person. You're not going to be the same person that, 20+ years ago, saved the galaxy since you failed so deeply and seemingly permanently. It was brilliant. I loved Rey's lineage being from nothing. I don't care that Snoke was someone who was meaningless and dies without fulfilling his full potential, so did the Emperor originally. I could have done without the casino planet but other than that it was very smart and well done. I can also understand why it was so divergent (beyond idiots getting bent out of shape because strong women exist).

 

[Richard]

Exactly. People complained that this wasn't the Luke they grew up with. Well yeah, his life changed. He failed as spectacularly as he could and hurt himself, his family, and his legacy. He's a broken person. You're not going to be the same person that, 20+ years ago, saved the galaxy since you failed so deeply and seemingly permanently. It was brilliant. I loved Rey's lineage being from nothing. I don't care that Snoke was someone who was meaningless and dies without fulfilling his full potential, so did the Emperor originally. I could have done without the casino planet but other than that it was very smart and well done. I can also understand why it was so divergent (beyond idiots getting bent out of shape because strong women exist).

Riggggghhhhhht.

What is the point of storytelling? To have character arcs. Luke went through a tremendous arc in the original trilogy. Now, he's simply a twisted old man who dies as an illusion. Granted, the Luke storyline was weak but that's not even the worst part of the movie. Nothing brilliant about cynicism. It's cheap, easy, and thoughtless.

It is a mythical tale based upon heroes and villains. We had our chief bad guy toasted in 30 seconds. We wasted damn near half the film it felt like running around a casinoland for no reason. Now its a democracy film, everyone has the force! Jedi are bad. It's all grey.

Wait, we had a slow ship chase which was so unconvincing that it was laughable. People literally laughed in the theater with how cheesy and bad it was. Oh wait gonna run outta gas ha ha.

I could see this coming from the Force Awakens, that movie tried and did too much. Han should have died in the Last Jedi as that would have moved Kylo's arch forward. Didn't need a Death Star planet.

Regardless, that movie felt like Star Wars and, damnit, it was fun.

The Last Jedi sucked. It's a shame because Solo was actually a damn fine movie but the Last Jedi killed it.

 

[Jussi]

Riggggghhhhhht.

The Last Jedi sucked. It's a shame because Solo was actually a damn fine movie but the Last Jedi killed it.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhttt. Despite being an ok and far better film than expected, Solo was not better than The Last Jedi.

 

[Osprey]

Exactly. People complained that this wasn't the Luke they grew up with. Well yeah, his life changed. He failed as spectacularly as he could and hurt himself, his family, and his legacy. He's a broken person. You're not going to be the same person that, 20+ years ago, saved the galaxy since you failed so deeply and seemingly permanently.

We didn't expect him to be exactly the same, but the change was so drastic that the original character almost wasn't recognizable. People don't change that much, especially after their 30s and especially not from a single failure. If he had lost his wife, his only child and his sister, then it might've been believable for him to be "broken" and have resigned himself to a negative world view. Instead, all that we were given was that his pupil and nephew joined the dark side. You can expect that to change him a little, but to discard his lightsaber and run off and become a hermit while that same nephew terrorizes the galaxy is far too extreme, especially for a character that epitomized hope (in fact, "A New Hope" referred to him) and doing the right thing.

 

[HanSolo]

We didn't expect him to be exactly the same, but the change was so drastic that the original character almost wasn't recognizable. People don't change that much, especially after their 30s and especially not from a single failure. If he had lost his wife, his only child and his sister, then it might've been believable for him to be "broken" and have resigned himself to a negative world view. Instead, all that we were given was that his pupil and nephew joined the dark side. You can expect that to change him a little, but to discard his lightsaber and run off and become a hermit while that same nephew terrorizes the galaxy is far too extreme, especially for a character that epitomized hope (in fact, "A New Hope" referred to him) and doing the right thing.

I might be in complete agreement with you if this were true but you're missing a huge chunk in the story. It wasn't just that Luke lost Ben Solo to the darkside. Kylo and his Knights of Ren slaughtered Luke's entire academy.

That's pretty traumatic.

 

[ArGarBarGar]

The Last Jedi sucked. It's a shame because Solo was actually a damn fine movie but the Last Jedi killed it.

What?

 

[WarriorOfGandhi]

Solo was bad for the same reason that every other Disney Wars movie has been bad. Shallow characters, reductive plot, aggressive nostalgia. 4/10, wouldn't recommend.

 

[HanSolo]

Solo was bad for the same reason that every other Disney Wars movie has been bad. Shallow characters, reductive plot, aggressive nostalgia. 4/10, wouldn't recommend.

I'd say 6/10. It had its flaws but it wasn't supposed to be more than a fun action ride, and I thought it succeeded on that front.

 

[RandV]

This is similar to the issues Captain Marvel had.

There are legit criticisms out there, but it’s hard to know which are legit and which are from people who are just looking for something to complain about.

I don't think that's really a fair comparison, yes both drew the annoying anti-feminist crowd but Captain Marvel was an otherwise good-okay MCU movie, same thing they've been consistently churning out for the last 10 years, but Last Jedi is Star Wars episode VIII and had a much wider scope of criticism.

Personally to illustrate the problem/misunderstanding what always pops up in my mind is the "it's real to me!" pro wrestling meme guy. Where in you have something that's obviously fake, but a dedicated fan they can shut down the part of the brain that tells them otherwise and just enjoy immersing themselves in the spectacle.

Which back to the point with Star Wars on one end you have the 'nerds' where yes it's a movie universe about space wizards and evil empires and while certainly you can pick out a few discrepancies here and there even in the originals (as with any movie/show) it's overall tight enough to create a "real to me" effect.

So the fundamental problem with Rian Johnson is he came in trying to take a more high minded approach, took way too many liberties and broke that "real" illusion for the nerds. If you complete the spectrum with the hardcore nerds on the left, then you'd have impartial people in the middle - genuinely enjoy the movies but don't take it too seriously or seek out more, and snobs on the right - it's just a silly movie about space wizards. Johnson exists somewhere in the center right, with the things he was aiming for appealing more to the snobs where they appreciate his 'subversion' and other high minded ideals approach but aren't bothered by the various plot holes or liberties taken because again - silly space wizard movie.

 

[Osprey]

I might be in complete agreement with you if this were true but you're missing a huge chunk in the story. It wasn't just that Luke lost Ben Solo to the darkside. Kylo and his Knights of Ren slaughtered Luke's entire academy.

That's pretty traumatic.

I forgot that. I'm still not satisfied, though. It doesn't really add up that Kylo would burn down the Jedi Temple and slaughter the other trainees just because Luke drew a lightsaber on him. I'm not sure how Luke could blame himself for the destruction and slaughter when he was acting on instinct, stopped himself before following through and then couldn't prevent what happened because he was trapped under debris (speaking of which, why can Rey lift tons of boulders, but Jedi Master Luke can't lift pieces of a hut's roof off of himself?).

Surely, there would be guilt, but not permanent, life-altering trauma that would turn perhaps the galaxy's most optimistic and hopeful character into its most negative and cynical. At least eventually, and probably after receiving a pep talk from Yoda's ghost, the Luke that I know would've come to realize that the power of the dark side was more to blame and that it was his responsibility to set things right by stopping Kylo (much earlier than the events of TLJ). Having him hide and sulk for 15 years until a complete stranger and teenager finally arrives and sets him straight just doesn't seem like believable writing to me.