Prospect Info: St. Louis Blues Prospect Ranking by Ballot Tabulation (Results Posted)

[Splatter]

What? I don't understand.

He's trying to make the team. He may, or he may not in which case he'll be sent down. If that happens, I would be very surprised if he is claimed (since every team has guys who are borderline and getting cut at that time).

You seem to be assuming Rattie makes the team. I don't think that's automatic, but the chances are increased if Sobotka isn't in camp, or if someone gets injured.

I'm not really assuming, but I think his contract and the risks that come with it favors that he does make it.

 

[MissouriMook]

I'm not sure anyone will claim Rattie if he has to clear waivers to be sent to the AHL, but I suspect that if it is between him and Paajarvi for the final roster spot they may send down Paajarvi for no other reason than the fact that they know from prior experience that he will almost certainly clear waivers.

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

1. Vince Dunn
2. Ville Husso
3. Jake Walman
4. Jordan Schmaltz
5. Tage Thompson
6. Ivan Barbashev
7. Joran Kyrou
8. Ty Rattie
9. Petteri Lindbohm
10. Jordan Binnington
11. Dmitri Sergeev
12. Tommy Vannelli
13. Niko Mikkola
14. Conner Bleackley
15. Mackenzie MacEachern
16. Adam Musil
17. Evan Fitzpatrick
18. Samuel Blais
19. Pheonix Copley
20. Austin Poganski
21. Filip Helt
22. Luke Opilka
23. Glen Gawdin
24. Nolan Stevens
25. Nikolaj Krag Christensen

From like 15 and down it's kind of a crap shoot for me, mainly because I don't have as much knowledge on those guys.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

I'm not really assuming, but I think his contract and the risks that come with it favors that he does make it.

I expect 7D and 14F on the roster.

Steen-Stastny-Tarasenko
Schwartz-Lehtera-Perron
Fabbri-Sobotka-Berglund
Reaves-Upshall-Brodziak-Jaskin-XXXXX

I don't see any of those guys really being at risk of not making the team, although Sobotka may not really be in there if his contract situation blows up. That leaves ONE forward spot that everyone else is fighting over. I think Rattie has a good chance to make it, but I don't think his contract really will be the deciding factor. It wouldn't shock me if one of Paajarvi, Porter, Galiardi, etc, wins out for that spot, especially if they want more of a 4th line guy. Or maybe the team open the season with 8 D-men again.

Bottom line, if Rattie doesn't show up and prove he's one of the best 14 forwards, I think the team would have no hesitation about sending him to the AHL to start the year.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

I really like seeing everyone's different lists. It provides great insight on what people value and what players each believe will be "sleepers" in some way.

 

[tfriede2]

1. Walman
2. Schmaltz
3. Thompson
4. Husso
5. Dunn
6. Barbashev
7. Rattie
8. Kyrou
9. Lindbohm
10. Binnington
11. Musil
12. Sergeev
13. Mikkola
14. Vanelli
15. MacEachern
16. Bleackley
17. Fitzpatrick
18. Blais
19. Poganski
20. Copley
21. Helt
22. Gawdin
23. Opilka
24. Stevens
25. Christensen

 

[MissouriMook]

I expect 7D and 14F on the roster.

Steen-Stastny-Tarasenko
Schwartz-Lehtera-Perron
Fabbri-Sobotka-Berglund
Reaves-Upshall-Brodziak-Jaskin-XXXXX

I don't see any of those guys really being at risk of not making the team, although Sobotka may not really be in there if his contract situation blows up. That leaves ONE forward spot that everyone else is fighting over. I think Rattie has a good chance to make it, but I don't think his contract really will be the deciding factor. It wouldn't shock me if one of Paajarvi, Porter, Galiardi, etc, wins out for that spot, especially if they want more of a 4th line guy. Or maybe the team open the season with 8 D-men again.

Bottom line, if Rattie doesn't show up and prove he's one of the best 14 forwards, I think the team would have no hesitation about sending him to the AHL to start the year.

2MM, I believe you've pulled a Robb!

 

[PerryTurnbullfan]

1. Husso
2. Schmaltz
3. Thompson
4. Dunn
5. Kyrou
6. Walman
7. Rattie
8. Barbashev
9. Lindbohm
10. Binnington
11. MacEachern
12. Sergeev
13. Poganski
14. Bleackley
15. Musil
16. Vannelli
17. Fitzpatrick
18. Blais
19. Mikkola
20. Copley
21. Helt
22. Gawdin
23. Doty
24. Stevens
25. Christensen

 

[2 Minute Minor]

2MM, I believe you've pulled a Robb!

No, just responding to an off-topic conversation about Sobotka on this thread. I'll stop.

 

[Ranksu]

1 day left, boys and girls wakey wakey.

 

[stl76]

For my list I have basically copied STL fan in IA's and made a few small adjustments:

1. Schmaltz
2. Walman
3. Husso
4. Thompson
5. Dunn
6. Barbashev
7. Kyrou
8. Lindbohm
9. Rattie
10. Sergeev
11. Musil
12. Mikkola
13. Bleackley
14. Copley
15. Vannelli
16. Fitzpatrick
17. Blais
18. MacEachern
19. Poganski
20. Binnington

 

[Klank Loves You]

Guess ill weigh in for participation, but im not sure my opinions carry any validity.

1. Schmaltz
2. Husso
3. Walman
4. Dunn
5. Thompson
6. Lindbohm
7. Rattie
8. Barbashev
9. Kyrou
10. Copley
11. Binnington
12. Musil
13. Fitzpatrick
14. Sergeev
15. Vannelli
16. Blais
17. MacEachern
18. Bleackley
19. Poganski
20. Mikkola

 

[Shwabeal]

Walman
Schmaltz
Dunn
Husso
Thompson
Kyrou
Mattie
Lindbohm
Barbashev
Musil
Bleackley
Binnington
Fitzpatrick
Blais
Maceachern
Copley
Vanneli
Poganski
Helt
Sergeev
Garden
Mikkola
Stevens
Doty
Christensen

 

[Davimir Tarablad]

1. Schmaltz
2. Husso
3. Walman
4. Thompson
5. Dunn
6. Kyrou
7. Lindbohm
8. Rattie
9. Barbashev
10. MacEachern
11. Musil
12. Sergeev
13. Binnington
14. Copley
15. Mikkola
16. Blais
17. Bleackley
18. Helt
19. Poganski
20. Vannelli
21. Gawdin
22. Fitzpatrick
23. Christensen
24. Opilka
25. Stevens

 

[Ranksu]

For my list I have basically copied STL fan in IA's and made a few small adjustments:

That is one reason why these polls should go streight to EBB22 on PM. Less biased opinion and there would be some waiting to see what kind of result we get, 'cus now we already know the result. After EB22 post final poll results that would also increse discussion about players and their #position etc. but I'm fine by this way too.

 

[EastonBlues22]

Rankings based off 20 ballots cast with total number of points received in parentheses and movement from final poll result:

1) Walman (470) - Up 2
2) Schmaltz (464) - Up 2
3) Husso (458) - Down 1
4) Dunn (456) - Down 3
5) Thompson (438) - Up 1
6) Kyrou (382) - Up 2
7) Barbashev (379) - Down 2
8) Rattie (375) - Down 1
9) Lindbohm (351) - Even
10) Binnington (253) - Even
11) Sergeev (244) - Up 3
12) MacEachern (242) - Down 1
13) Musil (228) - Up 7
14) Bleackley (207) - Down 1
15) Fitzpatrick (201) - Up 1
16) Vannelli (199) - Down 4
17) Poganski (190) - Up 1
18) Blais (180) - Down 3
19) Mikkola (174) - Even
20) Copley (161) - Down 3
21) Helt (82) - Even
22) Gawdin (62) - Up 1
23) Stevens (46) - Up 1
24) Opilka (44) - Down 2
25) Doty (35) - NR


Final poll results for reference:

1) Vince Dunn (Tie 32.88% - Head-to-head tiebreaker 58%)
2) Ville Husso (Tie 32.88% - Head-to-head tiebreaker 42%)
3) Jake Walman (40.68%)
4) Jordan Schmaltz (56.92%)
5) Ivan Barbashev (55.36%)
6) Tage Thompson (60.00%)
7) Ty Rattie (57.14%)
8) Jordan Kyrou (70.00%)
9) Petteri Lindbohm (56.10%)
10) Jordan Binnington (31.71%)
11) Mackenzie MacEachern (31.82%)
12) Tommy Vannelli (22.50%)
13) Conner Bleackley (26.32%)
14) Dmitri Sergeev (34.15%)
15) Samuel Blais (30.95%)
16) Evan Fitzpatrick (35.90%)
17) Pheonix Copley (33.33%)
18) Austin Poganski (30.77%)
19) Niko Mikkola (34.62%)
20) Adam Musil (38.71%)
21) Filip Helt (38.10%)
22) Luke Opilka (53.33%)
23) Glen Gawdin (35%.00)
24) Nolan Stevens (35.00%)
25) Nikolaj Krag Christensen (52.38%)

 

[Stealth JD]

I personally think the weighed-average results you just posted is a more accurate representation of our prospect pool overall, then the individual positional-rankings done 25 times. Thanks for taking the time to do this. I've been wanting to see the results this way for a couple of years now.

 

[EastonBlues22]

I think this method produced a better list as well, even though it's only based on 20 ballots.

I'm guessing that's partly because the nature of this process tends to discourage participation by those who have less time for and/or interest in the subject matter.

The flip side of that coin is that less participation means fewer conversations (productive or otherwise) about the prospects, which kind of defeats the purpose in a way.

I'll be interested to see what sort of feedback this gets.

 

[Bobby Orrtuzzo]

Count me as being one who liked it this way better. Thanks for all the hard work Easton!

 

[STL fan in MN]

I also think that this method produced a little better of a list but I wouldn't advocate for getting rid of the individual polls method thoufh as yes, it generates a lot of good discussion.

Interesting to see some of the bigger movers. Musil up 7 spots? Wow. He did have a solid Traverse City tourney though, which I would imagine opened some folks' eyes about him.

 

[542365]

Yeah I like these lists too. I find it interesting how other people weigh or evaluate players. I think I like the individual polls better though because they spark some discussion about the lower tier prospects that we don't talk much about.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

I think this way is fun, but I don't really see the difference between the two.

They both have benefits and drawbacks that I really don't see as separating each method from one another.

 

[MissouriMook]

Thanks, Easton. Count me among those that like this format better in terms of the outcome of the rankings.

One of the most interesting take-aways I have from this process is that the difference between #1 and #4 was only 14 points, while the difference between #9 and #10 was 98 points. Maybe I'm reading too much into this, but this signals to me that we as a fan base believe that we really only have 9 defined prospects at the most, and that everyone else is nothing more than a suspect.

 

[Shwabeal]

I also think that this method produced a little better of a list but I wouldn't advocate for getting rid of the individual polls method thoufh as yes, it generates a lot of good discussion.

Interesting to see some of the bigger movers. Musil up 7 spots? Wow. He did have a solid Traverse City tourney though, which I would imagine opened some folks' eyes about him.

He jumped 4 on my personal list. In the one game in Traverse I watched, he was assertive and helped setup quite a few chances. Saw him as someone with 4th line grinder potential in the future but after watching that game, I could definitely see him as a solid 3rd liner that can contribute 30ish points.

 

[Splatter]

Rankings based off 20 ballots cast with total number of points received in parentheses and movement from final poll result:

1) Walman (470) - Up 2
2) Schmaltz (464) - Up 2
3) Husso (458) - Down 1
4) Dunn (456) - Down 3
5) Thompson (438) - Up 1
6) Kyrou (382) - Up 2
7) Barbashev (379) - Down 2
8) Rattie (375) - Down 1
9) Lindbohm (351) - Even
10) Binnington (253) - Even
11) Sergeev (244) - Up 3
12) MacEachern (242) - Down 1
13) Musil (228) - Up 7
14) Bleackley (207) - Down 1
15) Fitzpatrick (201) - Up 1
16) Vannelli (199) - Down 4
17) Poganski (190) - Up 1
18) Blais (180) - Down 3
19) Mikkola (174) - Even
20) Copley (161) - Down 3
21) Helt (82) - Even
22) Gawdin (62) - Up 1
23) Stevens (46) - Up 1
24) Opilka (44) - Down 2
25) Doty (35) - NR


Final poll results for reference:

1) Vince Dunn (Tie 32.88% - Head-to-head tiebreaker 58%)
2) Ville Husso (Tie 32.88% - Head-to-head tiebreaker 42%)
3) Jake Walman (40.68%)
4) Jordan Schmaltz (56.92%)
5) Ivan Barbashev (55.36%)
6) Tage Thompson (60.00%)
7) Ty Rattie (57.14%)
8) Jordan Kyrou (70.00%)
9) Petteri Lindbohm (56.10%)
10) Jordan Binnington (31.71%)
11) Mackenzie MacEachern (31.82%)
12) Tommy Vannelli (22.50%)
13) Conner Bleackley (26.32%)
14) Dmitri Sergeev (34.15%)
15) Samuel Blais (30.95%)
16) Evan Fitzpatrick (35.90%)
17) Pheonix Copley (33.33%)
18) Austin Poganski (30.77%)
19) Niko Mikkola (34.62%)
20) Adam Musil (38.71%)
21) Filip Helt (38.10%)
22) Luke Opilka (53.33%)
23) Glen Gawdin (35%.00)
24) Nolan Stevens (35.00%)
25) Nikolaj Krag Christensen (52.38%)

For more comparison, Instead of adding up points I averaged out the ranks of each player when they are ranked. I wanted to see how that turned out because of some players being left off ballots. I didn't average anything over 25 into it, and took anybody without half the ballots out of the rankings. The differences were just a few players trading spots.

I also counted how often they were on the ballots, and their highest and lowest ranks.

1. Jake Walman (Average rank 2.5), 20/20 Ballots, High: 1, Low: 6
2. Jordan Schmaltz (2.8), 20/20, 1, 5
3. Ville Husso (3.1), 20/20, 1, 6
4. Vince Dunn (3.2), 20/20, 1, 5
5. Tage Thompson (4.1), 20/20, 1, 7
6. Jordan Kyrou (6.9), 20/20, 5, 9
7. Ivan Barbashev (7.05), 20/20, 4, 9
8. Ty Rattie (7.25), 20/20, 1, 9
9. Petteri Lindbohm (8.45), 20/20, 4, 14
10. Jordan Binnington (13.35), 20/20, 9, 20
11. Dmitrii Sergeev (13.8), 20/20, 10, 20
12. Mackenzie MacEachern (13.9), 20/20, 10, 21
13. Conner Bleackley (14.5), 18/20, 8, 18
14. Adam Musil (14.6), 20/20, 10, 22
15. Tommy Vannelli (14.94), 18/20, 12, 21
16. Evan Fitzpatrick (15.42), 19/20, 10, 24
17. Austin Poganski (16), 19/20, 10, 20
18. Samuel Blais (16.53), 19/20, 11, 23
19. Niko Mikkola (16.84), 19/20, 12, 22
20. Pheonix Copley (17.06), 18/20, 10, 23
21. Filip Helt (20.53), 15/20, 12, 25
22. Glen Gawdin (21.23), 13/20, 18, 25
23. Luke Opilka (21.60), 10/20, 10, 25
24. Nolan Stevens (22.71), 14/20, 17, 25
25. Nikolaj Krag Christiansen (24), 11/20, 21, 25

Tanner Kaspick (19.67), 3/20, 16, 24
Jacob Doty (20.17), 6/20, 11, 24
Liam Dunda (23), 1/20, 23, 23
Justin Selman (23.14), 7/20, 18, 25