Prospect Info: St. Louis Blues Prospect Ranking by Ballot Tabulation (Results Posted)

[EastonBlues22]

I know that some people have lists that are very different from what our poll series results might indicate, so I thought we might try ranking the Blues prospects a different way and see how the results compare.

Anyone who is interested in contributing, post your personal Blues prospect ranked list from #1 through #25 (or less, if you are so inclined) in this thread. A #1 ranking will be worth 25 points, #2 worth 24 points, and so on down through 1 point for a #25 ranking. A list must be at least 10 players to be included. If it's longer than 25 players, I'll just use the top 25 for the final results.

At the end of a week or so I'll go through and tabulate the results from the individual ballots to get a composite ranking. If this generates some interest, maybe we'll consider doing it with the poll series in the future, or perhaps even replacing that series depending on feedback.

I'll post my personal list in a day or two.

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Edit: I copied the final results into the OP.

Rankings based off 20 ballots cast with total number of points received in parentheses and movement from final poll result:

1) Walman (470) - Up 2
2) Schmaltz (464) - Up 2
3) Husso (458) - Down 1
4) Dunn (456) - Down 3
5) Thompson (438) - Up 1
6) Kyrou (382) - Up 2
7) Barbashev (379) - Down 2
8) Rattie (375) - Down 1
9) Lindbohm (351) - Even
10) Binnington (253) - Even
11) Sergeev (244) - Up 3
12) MacEachern (242) - Down 1
13) Musil (228) - Up 7
14) Bleackley (207) - Down 1
15) Fitzpatrick (201) - Up 1
16) Vannelli (199) - Down 4
17) Poganski (190) - Up 1
18) Blais (180) - Down 3
19) Mikkola (174) - Even
20) Copley (161) - Down 3
21) Helt (82) - Even
22) Gawdin (62) - Up 1
23) Stevens (46) - Up 1
24) Opilka (44) - Down 2
25) Doty (35) - NR


Final poll results for reference:

1) Vince Dunn (Tie 32.88% - Head-to-head tiebreaker 58%)
2) Ville Husso (Tie 32.88% - Head-to-head tiebreaker 42%)
3) Jake Walman (40.68%)
4) Jordan Schmaltz (56.92%)
5) Ivan Barbashev (55.36%)
6) Tage Thompson (60.00%)
7) Ty Rattie (57.14%)
8) Jordan Kyrou (70.00%)
9) Petteri Lindbohm (56.10%)
10) Jordan Binnington (31.71%)
11) Mackenzie MacEachern (31.82%)
12) Tommy Vannelli (22.50%)
13) Conner Bleackley (26.32%)
14) Dmitri Sergeev (34.15%)
15) Samuel Blais (30.95%)
16) Evan Fitzpatrick (35.90%)
17) Pheonix Copley (33.33%)
18) Austin Poganski (30.77%)
19) Niko Mikkola (34.62%)
20) Adam Musil (38.71%)
21) Filip Helt (38.10%)
22) Luke Opilka (53.33%)
23) Glen Gawdin (35%.00)
24) Nolan Stevens (35.00%)
25) Nikolaj Krag Christensen (52.38%)

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[542365]

Vince Dunn
Jake Walman
Tage Thompson
Jordan Schmaltz
Ville Husso(I don't really want to rate goalies at all, but I think it'd screw up the results if I don't)
Ivan Barbashev
Jordan Kyrou
Ty Rattie
Petteri Lindbohm
Mackenzie MacEachern
Austin Poganski
Evan Fitzpatrick
Jordan Binnington
Tommy Vannelli
Samuel Blais
Dmitri Sergeev
Niko Mikkola
Conner Bleackley
Tanner Kaspick
Adam Musil
Filip Helt
Nolan Stevens
Justin Selman
Glen Gawdin
Nikolaj Krag Christiansen
Liam Dunda


I don't claim to be an expert. These were compiled based mostly on limited viewings, but I'm fairly certain I've seen everyone on this list play at least in the prospect camp, most of them in game. I look forward to seeing everyone else's lists.

EDIT: The goalies especially are just kinda thrown in between my tiers of prospects. I don't even attempt to rate goalies because I don't know what I'm looking for other than whether or not they stop the puck often.

 

[Oberyn]

Vince Dunn
Jake Walman
Tage Thompson
Ville Husso
Jordan Schmaltz
Jordan Kyrou
Ty Rattie
Ivan Barbashev
Petteri Lindbohm
Austin Poganski
Jordan Binnington
Mackenzie MacEachern
Samuel Blais
Tommy Vannelli
Conner Bleakley
Evan Fitzpatrick
Pheonix Copley
Dmitri Sergeev
Adam Musil
Niko Mikkola
Glen Gawdin
Filip Helt
Nolan Stevens
Tanner Kaspick
Nikolaj Krag Christiansen

The first 10-12 prospects I've seen a few times at the very least. After that, it becomes more of a crapshoot for me as I need to go off scouting reports and observations from several Blues posters on this board who have attended the prospect camps.

 

[MissouriMook]

1. Ty Rattie
2. Jordan Schmaltz
3. Ville Husso
4. Petteri Lindbohm
5. Vince Dunn
6. Jake Walman
7. Tage Thompson
8. Ivan Barbashev
9. Jordan Kyrou
10. Luke Opilka
11. Jacob Doty
12. Adam Musil
13. Jordan Binnington
14. Dmitri Sergeev
15. MacKenzie MacEachern

I hate having Rattie and Lindbohm on this list because I think they have played enough NHL games to have graduated from a "prospect" list, but I wanted to be consistent with the fact that they were treated as such for our rankings. My personal overall rankings are a reflection of three factors - the probability of the player having an NHL career, how close they are to playing in the NHL, and the impact I expect they will have at the NHL level.

 

[Bluesnatic27]

1) Ville Husso
2) Vince Dunn
3) Jake Walman
4) Jordan Schmaltz
5) Tage Thompson
6) Ty Rattie
7) Ivan Barbeshev
8) Jordan Kyrou
9) Petteri Lindbohm
10) MacKenzie MacEachern
11) Samuel Blais
12) Dimiri Sergeev
13) Tommy Vannelli
14) Evan Fitzpatrick
15) Austin Poganski
16) Jordan Binnington
17) Conner Bleackley
18) Adam Musil
19) Pheonix Copley
20) Niko Mikkola
21) Glenn Gawdin
22) Nolan Stevens
23) Filip Helt
24) Nikolaj Krag-Christiansen
25) Luke Opilka

 

[STL fan in MN]

I really like this idea. In fact, I was planning on doing it right after the usual polls were done.

I think it'll be interesting to see how this list differs from the individual poll method. They'll be close of course but some polarizing players could be fairly farther up or down.

There's also a timing aspect of it to where this poll of a top 25 will take a week where as doing it individually took months...and I could see folks' opinions changing about players along the way of such a long polling process. I'll be interested to see if any of that's reflected in this poll.

My list:

1. Walman
2. Husso
3. Schmaltz
4. Thompson
5. Dunn
6. Barbashev
7. Kyrou
8. Lindbohm
9. Rattie
10. Sergeev
11. Musil
12. Mikkola
13. Bleackley
14. MacEachern
15. Blais
16. Poganski
17. Vannelli
18. Binnington
19. Copley
20. Stevens
21. Fitzpatrick
22. Opilka
23. Selman
24. Helt
25. Gawdin

26. Krag-Chistensen
27. Doty
28. Kaspick
29. Dunda
30. Tschantz
31. Pochiro

 

[Frenzy31]

Easton - Great idea.

1. Tage Thompson
2. Jordan Schmaltz
3. Ville Husso - Would be 2, but goalies are so difficult
4. Jake Walman
5. Vince Dunn
6. Ivan Barbashev
7. Jordan Kyrou
8. Ty Rattie -
9. Jordan Binnington
10. Petteri Lindbohm
11. Adam Musil
12. Filip Helt
13. Dmitrii Sergeev
14. Tommy Vannelli
15. Jacob Doty
16. Bleakely
17. Austin Poganski
18. Glenn Gawdin
19. Samuel Blais
20. Niko Mikkola
21. McKenzie MacEachern
22. Phoenix Copley
23. Justin Selman
24. Evan Fitzpatrick
25. Luke Opilka

My guess is I will get flack for where I put some fan favorites and where I put some unusual guys - but based on the past few Traverse City games: Some of the guys are going to open people eyes this year.

 

[Ranksu]

Good idea, but if we would like to get not 'biased' result these votes should put as a PM message to EB22 not in public message. After result we should speculate and start discussion.

1) Ville Husso
2) Vince Dunn
3) Jordan Schmaltz
4) Jake Walman
5) Jordan Kyrou
6) Ty Rattie
7) Tage Thompson
8) Conner Bleackley
9) Ivan Barbashev
10) Dmitri Sergeev
11) Samuel Blais
12) Mackenzie MacEchern
13) Evan Fitzpatrick
14) Petteri Lindbohm
15) Austin Poganski
16) Niko Mikkola
17) Pheonix Copley
18) Jordan Binnington
19) Adam Musil
20) Filip Helt
21) Nikolaj Krag Christensen
22) Nolan Stevens
23) Liam Dunda
24) Jacob Doty
25) Justin Selman

 

[Frenzy31]

Good idea, but if we would like to get not 'biased' result these votes should put as a PM message to EB22 not in public message. After result we should speculate and start discussion.

1) Ville Husso
2) Vince Dunn
3) Jordan Schmaltz
4) Jake Walman
5) Jordan Kyrou
6) Ty Rattie
7) Tage Thompson
8) Conner Bleackley
9) Ivan Barbashev
10) Dmitri Sergeev
11) Samuel Blais
12) Mackenzie MacEchern
13) Evan Fitzpatrick
14) Petteri Lindbohm
15) Austin Poganski
16) Niko Mikkola
17) Pheonix Copley
18) Jordan Binnington
19) Adam Musil
20) Filip Helt
21) Nikolaj Krag Christensen
22) Nolan Stevens
23) Liam Dunda
24) Jacob Doty
25) Justin Selman

Big issue is limited viewing of most prospects - especially in Europe. Also, we have issues of how you weight potential vs NHL readiness. The other big issue is watching them play on the ice at the same time to get a better comparison.

 

[Stealth JD]

Husso
Walman
Schmaltz
Dunn
Thompson
Kyrou
Lindbohm
Rattie
Barbashev
Copely
Binnington
Fitzpatrick
Musil
Vanelli
Poganski
Blais
MacEachern
Sergeev
Gawdin
Mikkola

 

[2 Minute Minor]

I would post a list, but it would only be about the top 5....which if I'm reading correctly would skew the results. I'll just watch it unfold.

 

[KirkOut]

1. Walman
2. Husso
3. Dunn
4. Schmaltz
5. Thompson
6. Barbashev
7. Kyrou
8. Rattie
9. Lindbohm
10. Binnington
11. MacEachern
12. Copley
13. Vannelli
14. Fitzpatrick
15. Sergeev
16. Poganski
17. Bleakley
18. Selman
19. Mikkola
20. Helt
21. Musil
22. Blais
23. Opilka
24. Krag
25. Stevens

 

[Robb_K]

1)Vince Dunn
2)Jake Walman
3)Tage Thompson
4)Jordan Schmaltz
5)Ville Husso
6)Ivan Barbashev
7)Jordan Kyrou
8)Ty Rattie
9)Petteri Lindbohm
10)Evan Fitzpatrick
11)Mackenzie MacEachern
13)Tommy Vannelli
14)Jordan Binnington
15)Austin Poganski
16)Niko Mikkola
17)Conner Bleackley
18)Dmitri Sergeev
19)Luke Opilka
20)Phoenix Copley
21)Adam Musil
22)Filip Helt
23)Nikolaj Krag Christiansen
24)Samuel Blais
25)Nolan Stevens
26)Justin Selman
27)Glen Gawdin
28)Tanner Kaspick
29)Liam Dunda
30)Jacob Doty
31)Zach Pochiro

 

[EastonBlues22]

1) Walman
2) Dunn
3) Schmaltz
4) Thompson
5) Kyrou
6) Husso
7) Barbashev
8) Rattie
9) Lindbohm
10) Musil
11) Sergeev
12) Mikkola
13) Bleackley
14) Vannelli
15) Poganski
16) MacEachern
17) Blais
18) Binnington
19) Copley
20) Fitzpatrick

Pains me a bit to put Musil at #10, but I think he's probably the best bet of the bunch to turn into a quality bottom 6 center, which I value a bit more than a bottom 6 winger or bottom pairing defenseman.

My goalie rankings have always tended to be severe relative to most. Part of that is tied up in the difficulty projecting them out long-term, and part of it is tied up in the relatively devalued nature of the position. A goaltender just isn't worth that much to the organization unless he turns into an average or better starter, and right now Husso is the only guy who is on a track that gives me any confidence in that possibility at all...and he hasn't even played in the AHL, yet.

 

[Frenzy31]

Hey Easton,

Is there anyway to sticky this? It would be fun to do annual rankings of prospects - each fan, and then compare them between the years just to see.

 

[Splatter]

1. Jake Walman
2. Jordan Schmaltz
3. Tage Thompson
4. Ivan Barbashev
5. Vince Dunn
6. Ville Husso
7. Jordan Kyrou
8. Petteri Lindbohm
9. Ty Rattie
10. Adam Musil
11. Evan Fitzpatrick
12. Dmitrii Sergeev
13. Jordan Binnington
14. Tommy Vannelli
15. Conner Bleackley
16. MacKenzie MacEachern
17. Pheonix Copley
18. Austin Poganski
19. Glenn Gawdin
20. Filip Helt
21. Samuel Blais
22. Niko Mikkola
23. Nolan Stevens
24. Luke Opilka
25. Justin Selman

 

[EastonBlues22]

Hey Easton,

Is there anyway to sticky this? It would be fun to do annual rankings of prospects - each fan, and then compare them between the years just to see.

There's a cap on the number of stickies a forum can have, but perhaps we can add links to each result to the forum resource thread, or do something similar to memorialize the results.

 

[Evocable Manager]

I can't say I know 25 prospects in depth for a full ranking but I'll rank who I can.
1) Vince Dunn
2) Jake Walman
3) Tage Thompson
4) Jordan Schmaltz
5) Ville Husso
6) Ty Rattie
7) Ivan Barbashev
8) Petteri Lindbohm
9) Jordan Kyrou
10) Conner Bleackley
11) Evan Fitzpatrick
12) MacKenzie MacEachern
13) Nikko Mikkola
14) Samuel Blais
15) Austin Pognaski
16) Tanner Kaspick
17) Nolan Stevens
18) Jordan Binnington
19) Dmitrii Sergeev
20) Glenn Gawdin
21) Tommy Vannelli
22) Adam Musil
23) Phoenix Copely
24) Jacob Doty
25) Filip Belt

Some I haven't watched and only read about so might not be completely accurate information.

 

[Luger]

Who's expected to make the team at the start of this season?

 

[Splatter]

Who's expected to make the team at the start of this season?

Ty Rattie for sure. He already has a one way deal.

 

[Stealth JD]

Ty Rattie for sure. He already has a one way deal.

That means nothing. Just means he gets an NHL-salary if/when he's sent to the AHL. He's not guaranteed a roster-spot because of his contract.

 

[Splatter]

That means nothing. Just means he gets an NHL-salary if/when he's sent to the AHL. He's not guaranteed a roster-spot because of his contract.

I guess it's no guarantee, but it seems very likely. Is he waiver exempt?

 

[2 Minute Minor]

Is he waiver exempt?

No. And there is a decent chance he could be snagged on waivers. I doubt it would happen if he gets sent down during training camp, though.

 

[Splatter]

No. And there is a decent chance he could be snagged on waivers. I doubt it would happen if he gets sent down during training camp, though.

He'd have to be sent down by the end of the month since the season starts on the 12th. I don't see him getting just a week long look.

 

[2 Minute Minor]

He'd have to be sent down by the end of the month since the season starts on the 12th. I don't see him getting just a week long look.

What? I don't understand.

He's trying to make the team. He may, or he may not in which case he'll be sent down. If that happens, I would be very surprised if he is claimed (since every team has guys who are borderline and getting cut at that time).

You seem to be assuming Rattie makes the team. I don't think that's automatic, but the chances are increased if Sobotka isn't in camp, or if someone gets injured.