Confirmed Signing with Link: [SJS] Sharks sign Kevin Labanc (1 year, $1M)

BlueOil

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sharks won this deal the minute he inked his name. i'm sure they were hoping for a bargain but that did not pan out his year.
 

Burke the Legend

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He gambled and he lost. Too bad for him.

Not a a gamble, clearly a cap circumvention deal. A gamble would have been passing up a long term deal, and at that point the logical thing if there is an impasse is to go to arbitration and at least get paid this year the $3-4 million he's worth, happens all the time. That's real money available to him from arbitration and nobody passes up millions of dollars in guaranteed cash when it's right in front of you unless there's an agreement he'll be taken care of later. What he did of declining arbitration and taking a way under-market one year deal, circumvention.

I think he still gets paid because if SJ double crosses him he can go public with what happened and they get in deep trouble (big penalties possible like losing 1st round picks when they are going to be sucking a while will hurt).
 
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Is this a joke?

I wouldn't give you Labanc for Georgiev, let alone add the 1st Wilson somehow managed to pull out of Goodrow for that package.

Rangers aren't turning a backup goalie into a 1st or Labanc. The Sharks already got burn doing a deal like that.

Have it your way then.
Quality costs.
Geo is quality.
Pay or accept the consequences of subpar netminding until you get that resolved.
Also Strome is arguably better than Labanc now.
 

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Nah, we have Marky and Demko. However, you can pay us a 2021 SJS 1st and Jones, if you really need to dump him.

Well, if you have Marky and Demko then the latter deal isn't going to happen either but you wouldn't get that 1st for that dump anyway. You could have the Tampa 1st or Labanc but not the Sharks 1st next year. That's likely off the table for any deal that's realistic.
 

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Have it your way then.
Quality costs.
Geo is quality.
Pay or accept the consequences of subpar netminding until you get that resolved.
Also Strome is arguably better than Labanc now.

Geo being quality is certainly debateable. The other thing is that the Rangers don't have leverage in any deal for Georgiev because he's the only one available in a three goalie setup and it's untenable to carry three goalies beyond this season. You're not getting a player like Labanc or a 1st for Georgiev. And I would hope that Strome is better than Labanc given his age and draft pedigree but this is also one good year following three meh ones for him.
 

themelkman

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1. don't get why this retro thread, instead of just a fresh ask, what is LaBanc's upcoming contract worth?

2. Georgiev+ strome for Labanc+Colorado second rounder is not ridiculously unreasonable, but IMO

Georgie's upper mark is Labanc + SJ 2nd

if you want to go down from the upper mark, then
Geo + NYR 2020 3rd
for
Labanc + SJ 2nd

Strome by himself is worth 2nd +, esp since he is righty and plays either F spot.

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If you want to package, you now have TB 1st

Geo, Strome, NYR 2020 3rd
for
Labance TB 2020 1st + SJ 2021 3rd

Sharks get immediate G
get better F w some bit of team control still there
get a 3rd rounder which they don't have this yr now

NY reduces logjam at G, runs Shesty-Hank while Huska etc come on down
and for netminder and concessions in balance of deal gets a late 1st.
get interesting F w/mo team control
delayed, but get = 3rd round value for next yr,

win win?
Going to heavily disagree with you. If a Georg Labanc swap happens then NYR should be the one adding every time
 

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Well, if you have Marky and Demko then the latter deal isn't going to happen either but you wouldn't get that 1st for that dump anyway. You could have the Tampa 1st or Labanc but not the Sharks 1st next year. That's likely off the table for any deal that's realistic.

Tampa 1st is fine, too. We just need a first, so...
 

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Geo being quality is certainly debateable. The other thing is that the Rangers don't have leverage in any deal for Georgiev because he's the only one available in a three goalie setup and it's untenable to carry three goalies beyond this season. You're not getting a player like Labanc or a 1st for Georgiev. And I would hope that Strome is better than Labanc given his age and draft pedigree but this is also one good year following three meh ones for him.

Geo = adequate definite quality is not debatable as to a solid NHL G. No one is saying he is Vezina, Dryden, etc all rolled up into one.
But he certainly cuts the mustard today.

As to how much ya wanna pay for that quality, that is your right to decide how far to go.

NY 3 goalie system while Hank's last season is next year, unless extended at league min, hurts no one except guys in the pipeline like Huska.

There are multiple suitors. There is a small benefit to shipping him out of conference to avoid bite back in the ass factor down the road, but that is a minimal consideration added to dealing w/SJ as opp to EC suitors.

You have to decide what timetable you want to follow.
Geo is an immediate benefit. But he is also young enough [mid 20s not late 20s] and w/some rfa so he will be stabilizing and remain for some term.
A pick will likely have to be 2 years before it actually gets to NHL.
With your current roster, what do you think you should do?

Pls advise if you wish to make an offer, and mindful of competitive bidding, what do consider fair and adequate for NYR to accept.

We'll see if we can live w/that.
 

Pinkfloyd

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Geo = adequate definite quality is not debatable as to a solid NHL G. No one is saying he is Vezina, Dryden, etc all rolled up into one.
But he certainly cuts the mustard today.

As to how much ya wanna pay for that quality, that is your right to decide how far to go.

NY 3 goalie system while Hank's last season is next year, unless extended at league min, hurts no one except guys in the pipeline like Huska.

There are multiple suitors. There is a small benefit to shipping him out of conference to avoid bite back in the ass factor down the road, but that is a minimal consideration added to dealing w/SJ as opp to EC suitors.

You have to decide what timetable you want to follow.
Geo is an immediate benefit. But he is also young enough [mid 20s not late 20s] and w/some rfa so he will be stabilizing and remain for some term.
A pick will likely have to be 2 years before it actually gets to NHL.
With your current roster, what do you think you should do?

Pls advise if you wish to make an offer, and mindful of competitive bidding, what do consider fair and adequate for NYR to accept.

We'll see if we can live w/that.

Your first line makes no sense. Quality is debateable by definition because it is subjective.

It's doubtful that the Rangers go with the three goalies next year and you know that. It makes no sense for them to keep Georgiev either way because they'll get more out of trading him than they would keeping him when they have Shesterkin.

But at this stage, Georgiev is not a proven starter and his time put in with the Rangers is okay but not good or great. Personally, I'm not about paying for goalie potential when I see Georgiev, I see a kid that can flame out or simply be what he is now just as much as I could see him actually develop into a solid starter. For a guy like that especially on a team running three goalies they have no plans on sending down, I'm not sending the Rangers more than a 3rd round pick for Georgiev. Georgiev is not an immediate benefit because he's not a proven starter.
 

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