Hockey_Nut99
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Sorry if someone posted this poll already. I see it in individual team boards only. As simple as it sounds. Just pick.
Hockey_Nut99 said:Sorry if someone posted this poll already. I see it in individual team boards only. As simple as it sounds. Just pick.
StanJohns said:if i pay less for my next Sharks game, then this will have been worth it. if not, i wont be going to see any Sharks nor any other NHL game.
Newsguyone said:It's hard to have much sympathy for either side.
But I consider the following:
Bettman vs Yzerman.
Bettman vs. Datsyuk.
Bettman vs. Lidstrom.
Bettman vs. Shanahan.
I watch NHL hockey because I get to see the best game in the world played by the best players in the world.
I don't go to many games (prices, you know). But when I do shell out the money, I like the idea that it's going to the players.
As a hockey fan, I've seen lots of great things.
Three times, Yzerman lifted the cup.
And each time, the only thing that spoiled the moment, even a bit, was listening to that moron Bettman before he passed the cup off to the captain.
If I thought for a moment that Bettman was acting on behalf of the game, I'd really support him.
But I've watched him ruin the sport in so many ways.
If I thought that a salary cap would bring teams back to Quebec City, Winnipeg and maybe even to Hamilton, then yeah, I'd support his salary cap.
But I know better. I watched Bettman stand by and do nothing as good hockey markets fled the north for the big television markets in the south.
Screw Bettman. If I was an NHL captain on a cup winning team, I wouldn't take the cup from his hands.
Hockey_Nut99 said:I think it's great that you got to see all that and I respect your post. This is where everyone starts having their own opinion. You said you watch/go watch hockey becasue you get to see these guys all play. Teams like Nashville and other small market teams could never ever see guys like that b/c they all fly off to Detroit,Colorado,St.Louis,Dallas,etc...Not every player but a lot of major superstars..
Hockey_Nut99 said:The main way a small team like that can have big time superstars is if they draft one or two(which can be done), but it gives them a lot less chance of putting a winning product on the ice than those teams have. It will always be that way unless Nashville drafts out of their minds, gets really lucky, and all those players turn out to be awsome. That's one good thing about the nhl(that there's some luck involved and you have to put the team together carefully)....
Hockey_Nut99 said:I have 2 problems mainly:
1)A small team like that can draft as well as they want but if they turn into superstars and turn 31, they are most likely gone to the highest bidder...
Hockey_Nut99 said:2)They can have a prety good team due to smart management but they can't go out and get the best players at the trade deadline(as we call some of them, rentals)...They can't go pick up a Hasek or a Ray Bourque because of money. Some people will say: "Well if Nashville made a better team and drafted well then Bourque might want to come there". That's true but it comes downt ot he cycle again. It's been seen everywhere. Players usually leave at 31 b/c the team can't even afford to make a decent offer to their superstars.
I know many people don't agree with me but this is how I have always seen it.
PecaFan said:The owners say: "This CBA is broken, and needs to be completely replaced".
The players say: "This CBA is perfectly fine, all it needs is a new paint job".
There is no PR. The fans simply look at those two statements, and choose which one they agree with. And most of us think it's broken.
I disagree, they will look like a bunch or morons for wasting half a season and not negociating this CBA years ago when the NHL wanted too.misterjaggers said:The only way the players will gain any ground in the P.R. battle is if they accept a salary cap.
Newsguyone said:It's hard to have much sympathy for either side.
But I consider the following:
Bettman vs Yzerman.
Bettman vs. Datsyuk.
Bettman vs. Lidstrom.
Bettman vs. Shanahan.
I watch NHL hockey because I get to see the best game in the world played by the best players in the world.
I don't go to many games (prices, you know). But when I do shell out the money, I like the idea that it's going to the players.
As a hockey fan, I've seen lots of great things.
Three times, Yzerman lifted the cup.
And each time, the only thing that spoiled the moment, even a bit, was listening to that moron Bettman before he passed the cup off to the captain.
If I thought for a moment that Bettman was acting on behalf of the game, I'd really support him.
But I've watched him ruin the sport in so many ways.
If I thought that a salary cap would bring teams back to Quebec City, Winnipeg and maybe even to Hamilton, then yeah, I'd support his salary cap.
But I know better. I watched Bettman stand by and do nothing as good hockey markets fled the north for the big television markets in the south.
Screw Bettman. If I was an NHL captain on a cup winning team, I wouldn't take the cup from his hands.
When I said the NHLPA could gain some ground in the PR battle, I didn't say they'd win over all of the fans or even most of the fans, but it should win over some of the fans.Steve L said:I disagree, they will look like a bunch or morons for wasting half a season and not negociating this CBA years ago when the NHL wanted too.
I will particularly look forwards to laughing at McCabe (for once, it wont be at his play) when he steps on the ice because he said hed sit for the rest of his career rather than play under a cap.
The players have lost the PR battle no matter what happens due to loudmouth idiots like him and Modano making all players seem selfish and greedy.
PecaFan said:Ah, gotta love the "quote" thing. Just quote anything to mock and question it. Well guess what, if you were cutting the "cheques", you'd know just how real and "out of control" the "costs" are.
Your argument ultimately comes down to "they signed it once, they should be forced to live with it forever". Good thing the cable or telephone company don't feel that way. "Oh, I'm sorry, you can't disconnect cable. You knew the costs, you knew what you were getting."
The owners don't blame the players. They blame the *CBA* which had unforseen results, and allowed some GM's to do things which unfairly affect other GM's.
The owners say: "This CBA is broken, and needs to be completely replaced".
The players say: "This CBA is perfectly fine, all it needs is a new paint job".
There is no PR. The fans simply look at those two statements, and choose which one they agree with. And most of us think it's broken.
monster_bertuzzi said:Really? I see it as:
Holik $9 million
Lapointe $5 million
Tkachuk $11 million
Now, I admit that the owners are fools for paying these players this kind of dough when they know damn right that they dont have the TV revenue's or the attention of American's, but the players and their no cap stance is just a plot to one day have the salaries escalate once again.
So who's side am I on? Neither, but I vote owners.