Emotive
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I don’t know if this has been posted yet but
Post-Game Talk: Shredder Wins
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ElysiumAB
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I don’t know if this has been posted yet but
I'll really use any excuse at all to post this...
This is the problem exactly. Can't help but laugh when him and his teammates go "duuuuur he's so scary nobody will fight him duuuur, not his fault!" If he was running around hitting people the Oilers probably would have no choice but to fight him. He doesn't do that though, he just kind of hangs around scrums and tries his best to look intimidating on the bench.
Literally laughed out loud when I read the Tkachuk (I believe) quote about how he has a "presence" out there. No idea what that means, but this vague nonsense is about all they have to support him.
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The way I look at it Rittich's stick flip on it's own was fine, it's that he stared down Draisaitl while doing it. If he does it skating towards his teammates to celebrate the win, then it's all good. I'd be annoyed, but no more than anytime you get to see your foe celebrate success in front of you.
Bautista's flip conversely which was seen as a cardinal sin, truly was an emotional moment where he didn't stare down his opponent, he admired his hit momentarily before throwing/flipping the bat then ran his bases.
Both instances were in the middle of pretty emotionally charged situations, though I'd say Bautista's was a little moreso because they had just suffered some strange calls against, it was to erase a deficit in the game and it was playoffs.
Basically, I'm cool with any celebration but prefer that it doesn't immediately go and mock your opponent. And I also feel if you do it, you better be ready to receive it double when that opponent succeeds against you.
Emotive
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The best quote was Giordano saying lucic didn’t fight because no one wants to fight him. Nurse challenged him many times and he skated away. Hell even Kassian would take that fight, and I would put money and khaira answering the bell if he was challenged as well. Not saying all of those guys would win, other than Nurse of course, but to say no one on our roster would fight him is just complete nonsense. Captain coward making excuses.
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Sam Gagner would take that fight, he would lose terribly but he would go with him.
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Draisaitl, specifically, didn't like it and commented specifically on it in the postgame which isn't best form either. Look, everybody knows Draisaitl walks on water in my general view but I've seen him laugh at how easy it was to score against opponents and theres even memes of that. He's been far from chivalrous at times.
@harpoon has it right. People get emotional, people do things. I thought the stick toss was kind of funny. I certainly wasn't bothered by it. If an Oiler player does that everybody justifies it and I learn here every time that a win is a win is a win.
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But to be clear Connor McDavid went as far as to state "it doesn't matter if Lucic scores, he's valuable to the team" Connor didn't define the value, just said its there.
Teammates defend teammates. Its all it is. In a team sport you generally have to or the ship falls apart. If theres disagreement you keep it quiet or challenge one on one discretely. You don't air out the laundry. But in hockey specifically teams are famous for keeping discord entirely out of the equation. Critiquing others is heavily discouraged in the hockey world and even if its Nicholson critiquing Rieder who hadn't scored all year. You learn in hockey, a team sport, not to single out others.
Drivesaitl
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Lucic is on a retirement contract as I've stated many times. The fire is completely out and it was as early as LA where he wasn't responding to punch donkeys. Lucic is that nature of player that won one SC, had a supporting part in that, but figures he's a legend with complete sated goals and now he can spend the rest of his days saying "you know who I am in dark bars and will probably not stop being that kind of individual.
Lucic doesn't currently have hockey related goals. It becomes really clear, or should. its easy to spot players that are engaged and those that are not. Lucic has even spoken about trying to find ways to get engaged and that its a struggle for him. In his mind he has nothing left to accomplish in hockey. That's unfortunate to any club paying him.
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His stock is massively declining after last year's playoff performance and his play this year. Total perimeter player, who seems to have lost whatever edge he had. He's got 2 more years under contract with the Flames, if I'm not mistaken, after this one. Unless his game, or more so his overall drive, magically increases I'd be shocked if he remains a Flame for that entire time. That being said, they'll be selling low on this asset.
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The old school is that if you celly at all you don't taunt the opponent doing it. That it comes back on you. I notice in Football people argue the point all day as football features a lot of it. I think cellys that over the top can be disrespectful. Its hard to define. But you sure shouldn't taunt a McD or a Drai. That's plain stupid and I'm glad when it happens..
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Honestly, Rittich's, 'why can't I celebrate?' quote seems very telling to me and far more, 'whiny' than anything from the Oilers (who Calgary is at great pains to paint as the whiners in this whole thing).
It just seems like a loser kind of thing to say. Like a child that just got sent to their room and thinks its unjust. Can you imagine any circumstances where Patrick Roy would have said something like that? More likely would have been, 'if they think that was bad, they should see what I do when I shut them out next game'
I think the Oilers really got in his head this time.
It just seems like a loser kind of thing to say. Like a child that just got sent to their room and thinks its unjust. Can you imagine any circumstances where Patrick Roy would have said something like that? More likely would have been, 'if they think that was bad, they should see what I do when I shut them out next game'
I think the Oilers really got in his head this time.
Drivesaitl
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Rittich does not exist in a vacuum. He exists on a team that figures Tkachuk, Anderssen(can't even spell his name he's so irrelevant) trash talking is a good idea. The Flames truly don't respect opponents. Its why they are detested, but also why they fall apart in playoff series. The Flames actually figure they are good enough to dictate terms in games. They really do believe this at times. But its a pretty normal looking squad that has more holes in it than last season. I mean they've even picked up junk like Lucic and Reider who are doing nothing.
Peplinski talked about it in the postgame analysis. That the Flames of the 80's had to have everybody rowing to have any chance against the Oilers, and to avoid being embarrassed by the Oilers. So that org sought out players with a compete level that just kept coming in the face of adversity The Flames have several players currently that don't meet that description. Really they have a lot of players that won't, or can't row. Compounded is they don't have any great players. Its a club that has to overachieve just to get to the playoffs.
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You never or hardly ever see an opposing bench taunt and mock a goalie who has just been pulled. And you usually don't see players celebrate too hard after scoring a goal when their team is already up by a bunch. But that wasn't the case last Saturday against Rittich hehe.. and I loved every single minute of it.
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Short version is I'm just happy all day that the Flames don't realize that Tkachuk, Rittich, Andersson taunting is just generally a bad idea that backfires and motivates opponents. They believe it works, sometimes it does, but theres a lot of costs to the approach and we saw one Saturday night.
There'd be some players on a club, and this never gets stated out of the room, that might quietly be disconcerted with all the antics. Indeed its a long list of Flame players that actually don't involve in the taunting crap. Which suggests they might not be on board with it. I don't think this Flames team is very gelled. I think theres currently confusion around who the horses are. Tkachuk ascendency in Calgary I think has come at a cost.
There'd be some players on a club, and this never gets stated out of the room, that might quietly be disconcerted with all the antics. Indeed its a long list of Flame players that actually don't involve in the taunting crap. Which suggests they might not be on board with it. I don't think this Flames team is very gelled. I think theres currently confusion around who the horses are. Tkachuk ascendency in Calgary I think has come at a cost.
Drivesaitl
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I did too. But its not the smartest thing to do either unless its the 4th win in a playoff series..
Rittich won't disappear. He won't implode. He uses anger to motivate himself. don't hand it to him.
I mean we all loved Saturday, loved the moment and the drubbing. It was one regular season game.
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3 years after this one.
Whoops, thought this was about Lucic for some reason...lol
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I'm on the opposite side of this, I LOVED McDavid's demeanour. He scored two huge goals, and he barely celebrated. I thought that showed maturity, and was completely bad ass.
When Haas scores, and Yamamoto is talking about stick flips, look at Gulutzans face. That's the face of a father, every father knows what he's thinking there. "You'll learn what that gets you".
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I heard Johnny likes skiing in Calgary. I'm not referring to Olympic Park.
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Sports psychology is a weird thing, that seems to be about tying into a possibility, not a reality. A stick flip, a glare, an over celebration, a stupid play - they can all be used to conceive and achieve an outcome. But are only worth mentioning when the outcome is successful.
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Martin Biron did a really good job explaining the whole celebration/emotional thing on 630ched last night.
He basically said if you want to be emotional and be outgoing/expressive or whatever, back it up with your play. Be ready to play your best against your opponents and if you don't expect the opposition to get pissed off at you when you erk them, and get steam rolled because of it, you're kind of an idiot and setting yourself up to look like an idiot.
He basically said if you want to be emotional and be outgoing/expressive or whatever, back it up with your play. Be ready to play your best against your opponents and if you don't expect the opposition to get pissed off at you when you erk them, and get steam rolled because of it, you're kind of an idiot and setting yourself up to look like an idiot.
