I can proudly say I've not given a single cent to the whole institution that is the NHL since the 2011 debacle. So nothing is going to change here in terms of that.
Confirmed with Link: Shinkaruk to CGY for Granlund
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Baby Pettersson
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Checking out calgary's boards it appears a lot of people feel it's a parallel move? I think most are in favor of this trade but not everybody is keen on losing Granlund so that's a plus
I am ultimately disappointed but if it's any consolation - shinky had a long way to go before he was effective in the pros, I however felt he would have made it
This didn't make my Monday any better
I am ultimately disappointed but if it's any consolation - shinky had a long way to go before he was effective in the pros, I however felt he would have made it
This didn't make my Monday any better
thankfully I was busy this afternoon and didn't have a chance to post right after I heard this news...
With a few hours of digestion this is what I think:
-Shinkaruk is a little overrated in this market. Reading the reports from Utica he is a ways away from being a legitimate NHLer. He can score at the AHL level but he fades in games. Overall the sense I get from the Uitica faithful is that his stats overrepresent his value. However, he has significant upside with a chance (albeit small) to be a 25-30 goal top six forward.
-Granlund has a decent resume for a 2nd round pick. Based on play to date he projects as a 3rd line centre with 15-20g/20-25a upside.
All that said, the Canucks reduced the risk profile of a prospect. They gave up the potential of Shinkaruk for the more certain performance of Granlund now. Unfortunately, I think what they've simply done is give up the potential of Shinkaruk in 2 or 3 years to lock in his downside now.....
With a few hours of digestion this is what I think:
-Shinkaruk is a little overrated in this market. Reading the reports from Utica he is a ways away from being a legitimate NHLer. He can score at the AHL level but he fades in games. Overall the sense I get from the Uitica faithful is that his stats overrepresent his value. However, he has significant upside with a chance (albeit small) to be a 25-30 goal top six forward.
-Granlund has a decent resume for a 2nd round pick. Based on play to date he projects as a 3rd line centre with 15-20g/20-25a upside.
All that said, the Canucks reduced the risk profile of a prospect. They gave up the potential of Shinkaruk for the more certain performance of Granlund now. Unfortunately, I think what they've simply done is give up the potential of Shinkaruk in 2 or 3 years to lock in his downside now.....
crazychimp
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So pissed off about this trade when will this **** show end? For the love of god no one wants to watch this **** anymore! Look at the stands there's hardly anyone there I got offered tickets for the game Vs Islanders and turned it down we're tired of this act it's time to start fresh maybe fans will actually give a **** and attend games 
Flames fans are saying he's better than Baertschi who has come along nicely. He's made some nice plays in the games I've seen him in. He's still young enough to improve, only 22 years old which is only 1 year older than Shinkaruk. I don't know if I'm willing to say it's an awful return because both players are still young. FWIW Granlund has tracked better than Shinkaruk at the AHL level.
Exactly. I'm not a huge fan of this deal, mostly because I was excited about the prospect of Shinkaruk and Etem having chemistry, but the reaction here has been comically disproportionate.
Sure he still had value but how much value he has is pure speculation. We don't know what GM's think of these players and what we could've gotten. All we know is Shinkaruk isn't an NHL player. I would've rather gotten a defender or a pick but why not wait and see how this trade fits into the overall scheme that management has for this team before calling for their heads? (not accusing you of this) Especially for such an inconsequential move.
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Benning: "Advanced stats? You mean, like huuuuurrrrrrr durrrrrrrrr uhhhhhh shots right?"
StrictlyCommercial
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Someone should start a petition for Boycott the Canucks and Israel too
Guaranteed to get millions of signers in days.
Guaranteed to get millions of signers in days.
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If the Nucks winning last night actually put into their head they could potentially make the playoffs, I think I might stay away from any lines of communication on Monday.
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The Stig
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NuxFan09
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I don't really care what Calgary people think. These are folks who were content with Poirier over Shinkaruk.
Billy Kvcmu
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Oh well, I have watch the game for 2 month and have go to a single game this whole season.
All o does to follow now is Twitter and HFboard.
I think you need another two or three "likes" in there. You didn't get that Valley girl speech pattern down.
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Doubt it. HF seems like a big community to start one, but there is an even bigger fanbase of Canucks fans that support blindly.
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I really couldn't find it in me to dumb myself down to that level - near impossible.
VeteranNetPresence
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You can find guys like Granlund on the FA market every year. How is it this possible for one man to be this stupid?
Jack Tripper
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pretty tired seeing after every single indefensible move that benning makes, whether it be via contract or trade, that the defence made is that it's an inconsequential move that doesn't really matter
regardless of the fact it's a terrible argument for anything, the idea that a series of illogical moves will not lead to more illogical moves in the future is mental
doesn't matter what shinkaruk will / won't do in the future...he had value NOW, and it was wasted by trading him for a low upside forward in granlund who is already redundant within the organization
same defence was made after the kesler trade, sbisa/dorsett extensions, lack trade, ect...it's death by a thousand cuts except that this one hurts more
Addison Rae
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The thing is even if Granlund develops to his ceiling of a ~30 point player, what kind of value does he hold? In the current market place what does a ~30 point player who's soft and plays easy minutes get you? A guy like Matthieau Perrault who was coming of a ~50 point season with excellent analytics wasn't even qualified by his team because he was soft.
TruKnyte
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At first I think this trade was for Mikael Granlund and I was happy....and then I saw it wasn't.
Just when you think Benning can't get any worse, he goes and pulls this.
Just when you think Benning can't get any worse, he goes and pulls this.
Addison Rae
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Yeah, exactly. Granlund's ceiling is a tweener ~30 point centre, the Canucks let numerous amounts of these guys walk under Benning for absolutely nothing.
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