Boston Globe SHAUGHNESSY This one clinched it: Tom Brady is the greatest Boston athlete of all time

Who do you think is the greatest athlete in Boston sports history?


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Fenway

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I under where Shaughnessy is coming from.

The only other team that has had a dynasty run in Boston are the 1957-1969 Celtics who won 11 of 13 championships and the 2 they didn't were because Russell was hurt. However, that Celtics team dominated a NBA that was a distant fourth in popularity with fans across the country. 2 NBA teams failed in Chicago because they could not compete with the Blackhawks and Russell's Celtics trailed the Bruins by a large margin even though the B's before Bobby Orr were a terrible team.

Ted Williams was an American icon. He was strongly considered to be one the original astronauts until President Eisenhower stopped it fearing that the country could not risk Williams getting killed.

In the winter thousands flocked to the Sportsmen's Show to watch Williams fishing. Sears chose Williams to be the face of their sporting goods section when they were the largest retailer in the world.

In the past 5 years the NFL has tried to slow down Brady and the Patriots and how has that worked out?


Brady is the best of the best.



DAN SHAUGHNESSY

This one clinched it: Tom Brady is the greatest Boston athlete of all time


I surrender. No more old guy lobbying for Ted Williams, Bill Russell, and/or Bobby Orr.
Tom Brady is the greatest Boston athlete of all time.

Many of you are probably thinking, “Obviously, hi-ho. Everybody knows Brady is the best of Boston.’’
Not everybody. Not old-timers like me. Some of us remember things that happened before last weekend. We cling to the past and are reluctant to yield.

I am still bothered when 21st century Hub sports fans talk smack about David Ortiz being better than Teddy Ballgame. It’s not even close, people. Big Papi won those three championships, delivered in the clutch, and stood up for our city when tragedy struck in 2013, but he can never be a star the magnitude of Williams.

Look it up. Williams generated more news in 20th-century Boston than any individual other than John. F. Kennedy. He was the greatest hitter who ever lived, served in two wars, pioneered fund-raising for the Jimmy Fund, and kept seven newspapers in business with his colorful persona.

He spawned 800-page biographies and multiple documentaries. Without winning a single championship, he managed to be larger than life in every way. And his hitting numbers will never be matched. Look ’em up.

But Brady has surpassed The Kid. In 21st-century New England, he is bigger than Ted was in the 1940s and ’50s.

He is bigger than Russell.

And Orr.
 

McGarnagle

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It's Brady, and admitting as such doesn't do disrespect to Williams/Russell/Orr.

6 titles, still doing it at this age, despite salary caps, modern coaching, a faster game, stronger competition, more teams to play against, etc. is just amazing.

I know it's unfair to judge individual players for winning/losing when it's a team game. Williams may have been the best pure hitter in history, but never won anything (not really his fault since the league was rigged for the Yankees and they could've won in 46 if Pesky didn't bobble the relay throw). And considering the fact that pitchers today are throwing faster, developed more types of breaking pitches, and have bullpen specialists, it's hard to compare.

Orr was a revolutionary player. Still the best defenseman of all time, and transcended the game. But no longevity. Only won twice with that roster. He can't compare to what Brady has done.

Russell has more titles and was a tremendous player and a great guy. I'm trying hard not to disrespect him because I don't want to give that impression, but have any of you ever actually went on youtube and watched an NBA game from before 1975? It's just...garbage. By virtue of being 7 feet tall, Bill and Wilt dominated the league. The Celtics had better coaching and more complementary players, Russell was a winner. But put Aron Baynes into 1965 and he'd win MVP running away. The coaching strategies, training of players, and size/strength don't compare. Of all the sports, vintage NBA ages the worst, it's just horrible. I don't think you can compare anything in the NBA prior to the 3-point line, maybe even prior to Jordan to an athlete of today.
 

Chief Nine

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I under where Shaughnessy is coming from.

The only other team that has had a dynasty run in Boston are the 1957-1969 Celtics who won 11 of 13 championships and the 2 they didn't were because Russell was hurt. However, that Celtics team dominated a NBA that was a distant fourth in popularity with fans across the country. 2 NBA teams failed in Chicago because they could not compete with the Blackhawks and Russell's Celtics trailed the Bruins by a large margin even though the B's before Bobby Orr were a terrible team.

Ted Williams was an American icon. He was strongly considered to be one the original astronauts until President Eisenhower stopped it fearing that the country could not risk Williams getting killed.

In the winter thousands flocked to the Sportsmen's Show to watch Williams fishing. Sears chose Williams to be the face of their sporting goods section when they were the largest retailer in the world.

In the past 5 years the NFL has tried to slow down Brady and the Patriots and how has that worked out?


Brady is the best of the best.



DAN SHAUGHNESSY

This one clinched it: Tom Brady is the greatest Boston athlete of all time


I surrender. No more old guy lobbying for Ted Williams, Bill Russell, and/or Bobby Orr.
Tom Brady is the greatest Boston athlete of all time.

Many of you are probably thinking, “Obviously, hi-ho. Everybody knows Brady is the best of Boston.’’
Not everybody. Not old-timers like me. Some of us remember things that happened before last weekend. We cling to the past and are reluctant to yield.

I am still bothered when 21st century Hub sports fans talk smack about David Ortiz being better than Teddy Ballgame. It’s not even close, people. Big Papi won those three championships, delivered in the clutch, and stood up for our city when tragedy struck in 2013, but he can never be a star the magnitude of Williams.

Look it up. Williams generated more news in 20th-century Boston than any individual other than John. F. Kennedy. He was the greatest hitter who ever lived, served in two wars, pioneered fund-raising for the Jimmy Fund, and kept seven newspapers in business with his colorful persona.

He spawned 800-page biographies and multiple documentaries. Without winning a single championship, he managed to be larger than life in every way. And his hitting numbers will never be matched. Look ’em up.

But Brady has surpassed The Kid. In 21st-century New England, he is bigger than Ted was in the 1940s and ’50s.

He is bigger than Russell.

And Orr.

He never, ever fails to turn the subject to baseball within a paragraph or 3 with every single non-baseball column he writes.

Nice to see he still “has it” :shakehead
 

4ORRBRUIN

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With the way the QB's are protected like bubble wrap not giving it to Brady. He was not even the best player on the field yesterday or in many of his championships

Orr is and will always be the greatest. Popular? yes its Brady hands down but I would argue Belichick is just as popular as Brady
 

Mathews28

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With the way the QB's are protected like bubble wrap not giving it to Brady.

This is one thing I think makes it tough to draw completely accurate comparisons to other eras’ athletes.

Bradshaw has at least 6 diagnosed concussions in his career. I’ve heard it maybe more like 10-12. Crazy.

For me, I don’t think there’s any arguing that Brady isn’t the best.

But it is hard to say how much more certain QBs might have done if they played in an era where they can’t be hit the way they were years ago.
 

Dennis Bonvie

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With the way the QB's are protected like bubble wrap not giving it to Brady. He was not even the best player on the field yesterday or in many of his championships

Orr is and will always be the greatest. Popular? yes its Brady hands down but I would argue Belichick is just as popular as Brady

I would say Orr was more popular.
 

Dennis Bonvie

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It's Brady, and admitting as such doesn't do disrespect to Williams/Russell/Orr.

6 titles, still doing it at this age, despite salary caps, modern coaching, a faster game, stronger competition, more teams to play against, etc. is just amazing.

I know it's unfair to judge individual players for winning/losing when it's a team game. Williams may have been the best pure hitter in history, but never won anything (not really his fault since the league was rigged for the Yankees and they could've won in 46 if Pesky didn't bobble the relay throw). And considering the fact that pitchers today are throwing faster, developed more types of breaking pitches, and have bullpen specialists, it's hard to compare.

Orr was a revolutionary player. Still the best defenseman of all time, and transcended the game. But no longevity. Only won twice with that roster. He can't compare to what Brady has done.

Russell has more titles and was a tremendous player and a great guy. I'm trying hard not to disrespect him because I don't want to give that impression, but have any of you ever actually went on youtube and watched an NBA game from before 1975? It's just...garbage. By virtue of being 7 feet tall, Bill and Wilt dominated the league. The Celtics had better coaching and more complementary players, Russell was a winner. But put Aron Baynes into 1965 and he'd win MVP running away. The coaching strategies, training of players, and size/strength don't compare. Of all the sports, vintage NBA ages the worst, it's just horrible. I don't think you can compare anything in the NBA prior to the 3-point line, maybe even prior to Jordan to an athlete of today.

Pesky didn't bobble the throw. Nor did he hesitate. He had no chance of getting Enos Slaughter.

Russell was only 6'9". Walter Dukes was 7 feet, Walt Bellemy 6'11, Nate Thurmond 6'11", Darrel Imhoff 6'10". Height didn't allow Russell and Chamberlain to dominate.
 

Dennis Bonvie

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This is one thing I think makes it tough to draw completely accurate comparisons to other eras’ athletes.

But it is hard to say how much more certain QBs might have done if they played in an era where they can’t be hit the way they were years ago.

Or if they played for the Patriots.
 

LouJersey

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With the way the QB's are protected like bubble wrap not giving it to Brady. He was not even the best player on the field yesterday or in many of his championships

Orr is and will always be the greatest. Popular? yes its Brady hands down but I would argue Belichick is just as popular as Brady

Agree a lot with this. Bill isn’t just as important for these titles, especially the ones where Brady wasn’t the best player on the field.
 

KrejciMVP

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With the way the QB's are protected like bubble wrap not giving it to Brady. He was not even the best player on the field yesterday or in many of his championships

Orr is and will always be the greatest. Popular? yes its Brady hands down but I would argue Belichick is just as popular as Brady

9 superbowl appearances and Brady drove them the lead in ever single game to put them in a position to win. Its clear the Pats success really annoys you but the Ron Borges takes are lame.
 

Fenway

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This is one thing I think makes it tough to draw completely accurate comparisons to other eras’ athletes.

Bradshaw has at least 6 diagnosed concussions in his career. I’ve heard it maybe more like 10-12. Crazy.

For me, I don’t think there’s any arguing that Brady isn’t the best.

But it is hard to say how much more certain QBs might have done if they played in an era where they can’t be hit the way they were years ago.

The Joe Theismann injury forced the NFL's hand. The replay of that made many viewers vomit, it was that bad.
 

4ORRBRUIN

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9 superbowl appearances and Brady drove them the lead in ever single game to put them in a position to win. Its clear the Pats success really annoys you but the Ron Borges takes are lame.

Its clear you are a baby when someone disagrees with anything Tom Brady. No one is saying he's not the greatest QB ever but that doesn't translate into the greatest "Boston" athlete

Not now and not ever.
 

KrejciMVP

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Its clear you are a baby when someone disagrees with anything Tom Brady. No one is saying he's not the greatest QB ever but that doesn't translate into the greatest "Boston" athlete

Not now and not ever.

It absolutely translates to the greatest Boston athlete ever. Not my fault you have insecurities about the Pats success. Brady will win a couple more too.
 

4ORRBRUIN

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It absolutely translates to the greatest Boston athlete ever. Not my fault you have insecurities about the Pats success. Brady will win a couple more too.

And you will become a Habs fan :) Shouldn't you be at the parade? Oh ya you don't live in Boston.

If you did then I would give a crap about your opinion
 

Mathews28

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Its clear you are a baby when someone disagrees with anything Tom Brady. No one is saying he's not the greatest QB ever but that doesn't translate into the greatest "Boston" athlete

Not now and not ever.

This discussion you guys are having? It's like... :popcorn:

Kidding of course.
 

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