Shattenkirk

[rhef3]

Darren Dreger on WGR 550 on the Detroit Red Wings. GM Kenny Holland has been trying the past three years to acquire a top-four defenseman, and he’s still trying.

“One thing I know for certain – this team is not going down without a fight, nor is Kenny Holland going to let them go down without a fight.

“We started this discussion talking about Kevin Shattenkirk. I think Detroit is as likely a possibility for that trade and extend as any team out there and I believe that Shattenkirk would love to play in Detroit.â€


Now after reading this, for discussion sake let's say that shatty to the wings was going to happen at the deadline.

What would it take to get it done ?

I'm sure the blues would be very interested in our 1st but how would it work cap wise ?

Not saying it is ever going to happen, but what would get the talks going ?

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[Run the Jewels]

Darren Dreger on WGR 550 on the Detroit Red Wings. GM Kenny Holland has been trying the past three years to acquire a top-four defenseman, and he’s still trying.

“One thing I know for certain – this team is not going down without a fight, nor is Kenny Holland going to let them go down without a fight.

“We started this discussion talking about Kevin Shattenkirk. I think Detroit is as likely a possibility for that trade and extend as any team out there and I believe that Shattenkirk would love to play in Detroit.â€


Now after reading this, for discussion sake let's say that shatty to the wings was going to happen at the deadline.

What would it take to get it done ?

I'm sure the blues would be very interested in our 1st but how would it work cap wise ?

Not saying it is ever going to happen, but what would get the talks going ?

I don't think it would require Larkin despite what the naysayers opine about every bit of trade speculation. After all the Sharks got Brent Burns without giving up Pavelski, Thornton, Marleau or Vlassic.

I think they would ask for the first and I'd be open to that contingent on Shattenkirk signing an extension. We are hoping Liljegren turns into a Shattenkirk level player but there's obviously no guarantee how that will turn out...or that we'd be able to even draft him. Shattenkirk was originally drafted by Colorado so perhaps they would want Liljegren. With Shattenkirk you know exactly what you are getting.

The concern is we would have Shattenkirk in his prime and the roster is still not a guaranteed playoff team and odds are still good we'e be first round fodder during the years when we do make the playoffs.

I find this interesting mostly because the only time Holland has made "big trades" - relative term of course - is when the playoff streak has been at risk. The last trade for Legwand was pretty crappy, this would be a big improvement.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Darren Dreger on WGR 550 on the Detroit Red Wings. GM Kenny Holland has been trying the past three years to acquire a top-four defenseman, and he’s still trying.

“One thing I know for certain – this team is not going down without a fight, nor is Kenny Holland going to let them go down without a fight.

“We started this discussion talking about Kevin Shattenkirk. I think Detroit is as likely a possibility for that trade and extend as any team out there and I believe that Shattenkirk would love to play in Detroit.â€


Now after reading this, for discussion sake let's say that shatty to the wings was going to happen at the deadline.

What would it take to get it done ?

I'm sure the blues would be very interested in our 1st but how would it work cap wise ?

Not saying it is ever going to happen, but what would get the talks going ?

Maybe it would be a sign and trade kind of deal

Detroit Red Wings-Kevin Shattenkirk 8 years $52 million or something like that.

St Louis Blues-Nyquist+Svechnikov+Detroit's 2017 1st round pick probably top 10 pick something like that.

 

[TatarTangle]

^ from what I've read they arent interested in another winger, but I won't pretend like I know exactly what they're looking for

 

[Henkka]

St. Louis will want a goaltender. They have horrible guys right now there.

Starting point:
Mrazek <> Shattenkirk (+some kind of guarantee/insurance about an extension)

Thye could also have some of our rentals, like Smitty.

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

I think he is overrated and he is not a top 2 guy. I really have low interest in him because he wouldn't get us over the hump to be a contender and maybe just help is stay in the middle but I have zero interest in using this years first plus Svech plus Nyquist. That to me is massive overpayment and is just robbing peter to pay Paul. I'll pass on him unless it comes cheaper then what most sources say or we scoop him during free agency

 

[Henkka]

I think he is overrated and he is not a top 2 guy.

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ense&minutes=500&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

How can clearly LEAGUE-BEST power-play Quarterback from last 3 seasons be overrated?

Best points/60 and most Total points. More than Erik Karlsson.

I think he would fix our biggest problem on the bad PP.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

St. Louis will want a goaltender. They have horrible guys right now there.

Starting point:
Mrazek <> Shattenkirk (+some kind of guarantee/insurance about an extension)

Thye could also have some of our rentals, like Smitty.

Is that why HSJ is pitching the Mrazek trade angle.

 

[KJoe88]

I'd do Mrazek is if was a sign an trade for Shattenkirk.

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...ense&minutes=500&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

How can clearly LEAGUE-BEST power-play Quarterback from last 3 seasons be overrated?

Best points/60 and most Total points. More than Erik Karlsson.

I think he would fix our biggest problem on the bad PP.

because I don't think he is that great defensively. He is not a top pairing defenseman. No matter which way you bread it and fry it. He would not put us over the top. And I'm not a pure stat watcher. Best points per 60 does nothing to me because it's a useless stat. What counts are how many pucks you either put in the net or help put in the net. Not what they would pace for 60 minutes. Why? Because that is just not how things work. And I can give you a list of players that are better a quarter backing a power play.

A small chunk of the game is played on the power play. Our whole teams stinks whether special teams or even strength is being played. Most of the game is played even strength so I want the player the puts up points in any situation. You can take it or leave it but your not going to get me to change my mind that he isn't overvalued to be given 2 great assets and 1 decent asset for a rental

 

[Henkka]

because I don't think he is that great defensively. He is not a top pairing defenseman. No matter which way you bread it and fry it. He would not put us over the top. And I'm not a pure stat watcher. Best points per 60 does nothing to me because it's a useless stat. What counts are how many pucks you either put in the net or help put in the net. Not what they would pace for 60 minutes. Why? Because that is just not how things work. And I can give you a list of players that are better a quarter backing a power play.

I just wrote that Shattenkirk has ALSO MOST TOTAL POINTS on the power-play from last 3 seasons.

And 5th most goals.

He is also THE player, who has most PP points from St. Louis players, more than any forward like Tarasenko. Guy runs that unit.

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

I just wrote that Shattenkirk has ALSO MOST TOTAL POINTS on the power-play from last 3 seasons.

And 5th most goals.

He is also THE player, who has most PP points from St. Louis players, more than any forward like Tarasenko. Guy runs that unit.

You know you can help put the puck in the net without getting a goal or assist right? And do you know the difference in talent they have in St.Louis compared to us? We don't have a Taresenko or a Pietrangelo. I am willing to bet that his production on the power play would drop significantly. And my point wasn't that he isn't a great ppqb it was that he is NOT a top two defenseman so I have no interest in trading good assets and risk him walking. That was my point

 

[HockeyinHD]

I don't know if St. Louis is a trade partner for Detroit. I don't see any real matchups between what Detroit has and what the Blues might want.

If I'm St. Louis' GM and I know Hitchcock is a goner for sure, maybe I'd be willing to try a 'rebuild on the fly' by selling Shattenkirk for assets, but I think the better play would be to hang on to him and just trade his rights in the offseason.

 

[Shaman464]

Why go for a guy who is in his prime? All that does is bump the team back to first round fodder instead of missing the playoffs. It doesn't help the team contend, it just makes the ship sink a little slower.

 

[HockeyinHD]

Why go for a guy who is in his prime? All that does is bump the team back to first round fodder instead of missing the playoffs. It doesn't help the team contend, it just makes the ship sink a little slower.

...points towards the tanking thread...

 

[Bench]

Why go for a guy who is in his prime?

Because that's the nearly singular way great defenders become available. The only reason St. Louis is even entertaining trading him is because UFA looms on the horizon.

The way the CBA set up RFA and everything else locks down players until their late 20s, so that's when top pairing defenders are going to hit the market. If ever.

Maybe if you're willing to package Larkin you could pry away a guy like Trouba or something. But the OELs and Hedmans are going to stay locked up barring they want to explore UFA.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Giving up a non playoff position first rd pick for a younger Brian Campbell is how you ruin a franchise for a decade

Sgatrenkirk is a pp specialist, wonderful, but he is not worth mrazek or our first

At best maybe Tatar plus a prospect.

 

[FireBird71]

Wait til Free Agency

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

Giving up a non playoff position first rd pick for a younger Brian Campbell is how you ruin a franchise for a decade

Sgatrenkirk is a pp specialist, wonderful, but he is not worth mrazek or our first

At best maybe Tatar plus a prospect.

I agree thank you. Have a couple drinks tonight? I've personally have never heard of Sgatrenkirk lol

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I agree thank you. Have a couple drinks tonight? I've personally have never heard of Sgatrenkirk lol

I wish

Just a typo on my phone unfortunately

 

[Frk It]

You know you can help put the puck in the net without getting a goal or assist right? And do you know the difference in talent they have in St.Louis compared to us? We don't have a Taresenko or a Pietrangelo. I am willing to bet that his production on the power play would drop significantly. And my point wasn't that he isn't a great ppqb it was that he is NOT a top two defenseman so I have no interest in trading good assets and risk him walking. That was my point

Sounds like you're holding out hope for guys who don't get traded or who we don't have the assets for if they do.

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

Sounds like you're holding out hope for guys who don't get traded or who we don't have the assets for if they do.[/QUOTE

Whatever you said made zero sense to me

 

[burrythebiscuit*]

I wish

Just a typo on my phone unfortunately

Yeah I've noticed this site corrects after you submit sometimes even

 

[jkutswings]

In terms of value of players, I'd be OK with Mrazek for Shattenkirk. Petr would be better on a better team, but I don't see enough consistency in him to consider him untradeable.

But I still wouldn't pull the trigger unless I was confident they'd have a top-4 pick for a center. And they're only getting that if they're dragged there kicking and screaming.

 

[Frk It]

Whatever you said made zero sense to me

You said you don't wan to give up assets for Shattenkirk because you want a top pairing defenseman. Guys better than Shattenkirk don't really get traded, and if they do it's for a price we wouldn't be able to pay.