Prospect Info: Sharks Prospect Info & Discussion Thread XX

[LilLeeroy]

This response is almost as ridiculous as the post that inspired it.

I like to imagine Doug Wilson Jr. as an over-the-top villain whose only goal in life was to make the Sharks as bad as possible while sitting around all day doing no work and telling everybody "You know my dad's the GM right?".

 

[LadyStanley]

Cagnoni

 

[OrrNumber4]

wait when did this happen lol

Chad Wiseman

 

[Sendhelplease]

Chad Wiseman

He was a 9th round pick. They just as easily could have selected me at that point.

 

[Mr Fahrenheit]

He was a 9th round pick. They just as easily could have selected me at that point.

They would have if you cried hard enough

 

[Jargon]

Well and didn’t the Sharks pick Hertl only because he was a foreigner?! They’re so woke.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Well and didn’t the Sharks pick Hertl only because he was a foreigner?! They’re so woke.

There was speculation that the Sharks went after Setoguchi because he was Asian, and they thought that would play well in the Bay Area.

 

[one2gamble]

There was speculation that the Sharks went after Setoguchi because he was Asian, and they thought that would play well in the Bay Area.

I mean who else were they going to pick right there......

 

[CaptainShark]

An odd statement from @Mattb124, but I will point out that the Sharks have had a long history of letting the wrong things color their judgment:

1) Hiring former players beyond their competence
2) Hiring DW jr in the first place
3) Drafting a player because of his father
4) Drafting a player because he was from San Jose
5) Drafting a player because he is the nephew of the current coach
6) Drafting a player because he was crying and the GM felt bad
7) Drafting players from a certain region to create a narrative
8) Not drafting player due to that player's nationality (has no doubt happened numerous times)
9) Acquiring the brother of a current player/prospect

Would I put it beyond the Sharks to assign extra points to a player for some stupid reason?

While your are not wrong, that’s an NHL-thing and not a Sharks thing.

 

[CaptainShark]

CHL-Update:

Cagnoni‘s Winterhawks are up 2-0 after a 5-1 win, Luca had 1G, 1A,+2.

Musty with 2A +\- 0 in a 6-5 win, Wolves up 2-0, series now shifts to Sudbury.

 

[OrrNumber4]

While your are not wrong, that’s an NHL-thing and not a Sharks thing.

Maybe, but "everyone else does it" is a very poor defense.

 

[CaptainShark]

Maybe, but "everyone else does it" is a very poor defense.

It wasn’t meant to be a defense at all.

 

[Jargon]

There was speculation that the Sharks went after Setoguchi because he was Asian, and they thought that would play well in the Bay Area.

Hockey is entertainment. Sports is a show. Keeping an eye toward your audience isn’t inherently bad or unusual.

 

[OrrNumber4]

Hockey is entertainment. Sports is a show. Keeping an eye toward your audience isn’t inherently bad or unusual.

I think it's...reductive, if that's the right word? Focus on building a winning team, and fans will come. The type of fan who would only watch if a member of her race was on the team is a fan that team could do without!

 

[Grinner]

I think it's...reductive, if that's the right word? Focus on building a winning team, and fans will come. The type of fan who would only watch if a member of her race was on the team is a fan that team could do without!

Why is that? Filipinos are very big in supporting star Filipino ahlthetes. Given the rather large Filipino community in the Bay Area, having a Jason Robertson would undoubtedly put fannies in the seats

You might not care about that, but management and ownership does.
Why bother with all these salutes to various ethnic group nights?
I'm betting it's to grow the fan base in the very diverse home market.

 

[StanleyCup2035]

I think it's...reductive, if that's the right word? Focus on building a winning team, and fans will come. The type of fan who would only watch if a member of her race was on the team is a fan that team could do without!

True. Although I promise to watch more games if Sharks draft Zeev

 

[Jargon]

True. Although I promise to watch more games if Sharks draft Zeev

I know, I secretly want Zeev for the same reason…

 

[jMoneyBrah]

I think it's...reductive, if that's the right word? Focus on building a winning team, and fans will come. The type of fan who would only watch if a member of her race was on the team is a fan that team could do without!

Firstly, it is possible to do more than one thing at a time. You may be shocked to learn that organizations have entirely different people focusing on the building the winning team and the marketing of the team, and marketers, having no influence on “the winning” part, are free to explore the other venues of attracting new fans.

As others have pointed out sports is entertainment and personal, human, stories can be a way to grab the attention of otherwise unaware potential fans. The winning, obviously, helps keep their attention but winning championships isn’t actually necessary to do so. Plenty of teams with strong fanbases haven’t won jack (Blues up until 2019 being just one example).

On a personal note, I haven’t watched the 49ers with any consistency for years. But, the Purdy story and his success proved interesting enough to get me to watch I guess I love an underdog story.

Why is that? Filipinos are very big in supporting star Filipino ahlthetes. Given the rather large Filipino community in the Bay Area, having a Jason Robertson would undoubtedly put fannies in the seats

You might not care about that, but management and ownership does.
Why bother with all these salutes to various ethnic group nights?
I'm betting it's to grow the fan base in the very diverse home market.

lol. The way Filipinos support their community If the Sharks had a Filipino player of even moderate impact you could kiss their attendance issues goodbye

 

[TheBeard]

This discussion about fans and success and what puts butts in seats has been very hypocritical.

 

[Saskatoon]

Seto was a good hockey player too until off ice problems caught up

 

[Mattb124]

You're really going to try to tear down probably the single decent thing Doug Wilson Jr. has done in his entire life?

Not trying to tear it down at all, just suggesting (as have others) that the Sharks organization makes decisions that are not purely performance-related and which may be informed by, and the messaging curated for, the fanbase based on its social/political leanings. More of a comment on the fanbase really.

During my 25-year career at a national corporation headquartered in San Francisco, the firm made a number of policy decisions to be more outwardly reflective of SF's community values. Some played out well, some resulted in boycotts.

 

[hohosaregood]

imo they have not drafted enough asian and/or local kids for this to be a legit concern

 

[jarr92]

Not trying to tear it down at all, just suggesting (as have others) that the Sharks organization makes decisions that are not purely performance-related and which may be informed by, and the messaging curated for, the fanbase based on its social/political leanings. More of a comment on the fanbase really.

During my 25-year career at a national corporation headquartered in San Francisco, the firm made a number of policy decisions to be more outwardly reflective of SF's community values. Some played out well, some resulted in boycotts.

One could argue that DWJR's handling of the pick for Wiesblatt might fall into that category, but he's since been canned from the organization. After then, I don't see how a single draft pick could fall into the category of virtue signaling.

You also made the point after the discussion of picking Cayden Lindstrom, which seems like a perfectly logical pick given the Sharks don't get the #1. Why would selecting Cayden Lindstrom be virtue signaling?

 

[Cas]

imo they have not drafted enough asian and/or local kids for this to be a legit concern

Yes, this is an argument in search of evidence.

The Sharks have drafted the following players from the Bay Area:

Reese Laubach (2023, 7th, #217)

I can't actually find anyone else.

 

[Juxtaposer]

One could argue that DWJR's handling of the pick for Wiesblatt might fall into that category, but he's since been canned from the organization. After then, I don't see how a single draft pick could fall into the category of virtue signaling.

You also made the point after the discussion of picking Cayden Lindstrom, which seems like a perfectly logical pick given the Sharks don't get the #1. Why would selecting Cayden Lindstrom be virtue signaling?

Yeah, not to accuse the poster of anything, but the timing was a little suspicious.