LeBrun: Sharks & Karlsson ''on same page'' to try and get a trade done

[Grinner]

It's not just spending 20 million to get back assets. It's 20 million + whatever ticket + jersey revenue the Sharks generate by having all star Karlsson on their team. He was the only reason the Sharks got mentioned at all last season, they have nothing else going for them. He will at least put fans in the seats.

You really don't know of what you speak

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

You really don't know of what you speak

Tell me I'm wrong then, don't just put laugh reacts like a bozo when you get cooked

 

[Grinner]

Tell me I'm wrong then, don't just put laugh reacts like a bozo when you get cooked

Too funny.
Petty on your part though

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Too funny.
Petty on your part though

Exactly dude, you have nothing constructive to say when faced with actual discussion.

 

[Grinner]

Exactly dude, you have nothing constructive to say when faced with actual discussion.

No you've gotten what you've earn and don't like it. Too bad

 

[doublechili]

He would easily waive to Montreal.

Isn't Mike Hoffman on MTL? If so, wouldn't that be a problem? Or was there some resolution between them I wasn't aware of?

 

[YP44]

I rather keep Karlssons contract than swap it for Nurses. Oof!

did not say it would make sense for San Jose, just that Nurse has a NMC and makes me question why he would waive to go from a team that should be competing for the cup.

 

[Ainsy01]

So was Vancouver and Luongo

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Isn't Mike Hoffman on MTL? If so, wouldn't that be a problem? Or was there some resolution between them I wasn't aware of?

Yooo I actually forgot about him

Yeah he would have to go in that situation. Probably requires another 2nd round pick from Montreal to get rid of him to a 3rd party.

I don't think Karlsson and Hoffman will ever make up, but I do believe the resolution of the issue was that Hoffman and his ex GF never did any of the things they were accused of, but that Hoffman's GF was a nightmare either way, and that Karlsson and his wife can't really be faulted for believing that it was Hoffman's GF, considering how nasty of a person she was, after they experienced a tragedy.

 

[TGWL]

Still the best off you've got in this thread, am I wrong?


He would easily waive to Montreal. Think he would waive to whoever wants him, but they're better than the Sharks, they're close to Ottawa, they need a RHD, EK gets a chance to play in the spotlight, Montreal is a better city than San Jose, etc.

I don't know. I didn't read all the responses. I was actually referring to Hoffman being the problem. But another poster spelled it out above.

 

[Painful Quandary]

So was Vancouver and Luongo

It took a couple years, but a deal did get done to send Luongo to Florida, which is where he wanted to go. I think the Karlsson trade is likely to get done faster due to Karlsson likely being open to more teams than just Florida and Toronto.

 

[Ainsy01]

I find it very very difficult to gauge his value.

11.5 a year for the next 4 years for the current Norris winner (assuming he wins) sounds like a fair contract, therefore his value should be high, but its not.

Given that it was such a resurgence and such a high risk/high reward type of deal, its hard to say.

At 50% retainer his value is obviously really high, but the risk remains.

I see them getting a first round pick and a decent D prospect, but nothing insanely high or close to the package the sharks gave up to get him.

Seattle makes the most sense as a team with cap room looking to take a big next step after a very strong playoff run. Upgrade over Schaltz who is currently in the role Karlsson would step into.

Seattle gets:
Karlsson (50% retained)

SJS gets:
20th overall in 2023
Ryker Evans

 

[TheBeard]

I see them getting a first round pick and a decent D prospect, but nothing insanely high or close to the package the sharks gave up to get him.

This is pretty much the package the sharks gave up to get him.

 

[McShogun99]

Tough sell to get an owner to spend 20 million on nothing over the next 4 years

Or the owner can spend 46 million over the next 4 years, get no assets back and get zero playoff revenue. No one is taking Karlsson at his full value. If the Sharks want a good return they’re probably going to have to retain 4 million a season and take back a contract in the 4-6 million dollar range.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I find it very very difficult to gauge his value.

11.5 a year for the next 4 years for the current Norris winner (assuming he wins) sounds like a fair contract, therefore his value should be high, but its not.

Given that it was such a resurgence and such a high risk/high reward type of deal, its hard to say.

At 50% retainer his value is obviously really high, but the risk remains.

I see them getting a first round pick and a decent D prospect, but nothing insanely high or close to the package the sharks gave up to get him.

Seattle makes the most sense as a team with cap room looking to take a big next step after a very strong playoff run. Upgrade over Schaltz who is currently in the role Karlsson would step into.

Seattle gets:
Karlsson (50% retained)

SJS gets:
20th overall in 2023
Ryker Evans

That's nowhere near enough for Karlsson at 50%. You have to pay the price for Karlsson at 5.75M, and then pay an additional price to San Jose for taking 5.75m of dead cap for the next 4 years, which is worth at least 2 1st round picks.

Or the owner can spend 46 million over the next 4 years, get no assets back and get zero playoff revenue. No one is taking Karlsson at his full value. If the Sharks want a good return they’re probably going to have to retain 4 million a season and take back a contract in the 4-6 million dollar range.

Or they can trade him with zero retention, receive a couple roster player cap dumps, and a couple 1st round picks/prospects? I think SJ management would much prefer that option, at least they would have lower salary less term cap dumps to deal with over the next 4 years, and they don't have a 5.75m dead cap.

 

[Ainsy01]

This is pretty much the package the sharks gave up to get him.

Not really.

Norris was just taken 17th overall by SJS in 2017.
The first was unprotected and turned out to be #3 - Tim Stutzle
The two second round picks ended up being 39th and 44th overall. Early seconds.
Tierney was a 40 point 22 year old at the time of the trade.

I know draft picks are tough to gauge and SJS finishing 28th wasnt in the plan but it was still an unprotected first, two seconds, a roster player (Tierney) and a very recent first round draft pick (Norris)

 

[bernmeister]

What good does he do the Sharks ?
Yes I'd imagine he'd have to be willing to leave NYC and that it be somewhere he'd want to live.
Does he want to win a cup?

Did you read my prop carefully?
bread goes to a third team, who provides acceptable swag to SJ

 

[Adele Dazeem]

Not really.

Norris was just taken 17th overall by SJS in 2017.
The first was unprotected and turned out to be #3 - Tim Stutzle
The two second round picks ended up being 39th and 44th overall. Early seconds.
Tierney was a 40 point 22 year old at the time of the trade.

I know draft picks are tough to gauge and SJS finishing 28th wasnt in the plan but it was still an unprotected first, two seconds, a roster player (Tierney) and a very recent first round draft pick (Norris)

You forgot Dylan Demelo.

Ottawa's new owner can really hit a homerun by bringing back Karlsson.

 

[Slimmy]

EK and McDavid together would be so fun and good for the NHL.

I'm just not sure it's the right move for Edmonton tbh.

EK dishing it to McD at full flight would be the most fun I've had watching hockey since the Avs - wings rivalry

 

[Ainsy01]

You forgot Dylan Demelo.

Ottawa's new owner can really hit a homerun by bringing back Karlsson.

You think that would fly ? I always, or mostly, assume that once a GM trades a player they are usually gone for ever and the relationship ends. I could see if it was a different GM but its not. Although almost everything else, from toxic ownership to the teams outlook, has changed drastically. Tough to say how the situation affected the parties involved but seemed somewhat but not overly amicable at the time. I think the sens offered him something like 80 million and he said no thanks, so who knows.

There was also a bunch of drama involving the wives etc. Maybe its still a hard no from Mrs.Karllson despite Hoffmans wife being long gone

 

[Adele Dazeem]

You think that would fly ? I always, or mostly, assume that once a GM trades a player they are usually gone for ever and the relationship ends. I could see if it was a different GM but its not. Although almost everything else, from toxic ownership to the teams outlook, has changed drastically. Tough to say how the situation affected the parties involved but seemed somewhat but not overly amicable at the time. I think the sens offered him something like 80 million and he said no thanks, so who knows.

Dorion's days are numbered. Andlauer can rekindle the relationship as I don't think Karlsson ever had a problem with Ottawa, but moreso with Melnyk + the drama involving Hoffman.

My only hiccup would be if the dynamic of the team would change. Former captain comes back home to a new team with a young captain who is now the face of the franchise.

 

[Unsustainable]

3way idea.

To Carolina: Karlsson 25%
To Edmonton: Pesce
To San Jose: Edmonton 1st, Warren Foegele / Carolina 1st, Flyers 2nd, Carolina 2nd, Morrow

2 1st, 2 2nd, (any prospect not named Nikishin really) and Cap dump for 25% retaining of Karlsson

 

[TheBeard]

Not really.

Norris was just taken 17th overall by SJS in 2017.
The first was unprotected and turned out to be #3 - Tim Stutzle
The two second round picks ended up being 39th and 44th overall. Early seconds.
Tierney was a 40 point 22 year old at the time of the trade.

I know draft picks are tough to gauge and SJS finishing 28th wasnt in the plan but it was still an unprotected first, two seconds, a roster player (Tierney) and a very recent first round draft pick (Norris)

Norris wasn’t projected as more of a middle 6 guy and clearly the two picks were expected to be low in rounds 1 and 2. Balcers, Demelo and Tierney were role players at best but easily replaceable. If the sharks can recoup the 1st and 2nd and a prospect 5 years afterwards I’d consider that a win even if it requires retention.

3way idea.

To Carolina: Karlsson 25%
To Edmonton: Pesce
To San Jose: Edmonton 1st, Warren Foegele / Carolina 1st, Flyers 2nd, Carolina 2nd, Morrow

2 1st, 2 2nd, (any prospect not named Nikishin really) and Cap dump for 25% retaining of Karlsson

Dunno why you’d want Burns and EK together again.

 

[McSuper]

I think for the Oilers it starts with Campbell going the other way.

Karlsson at 8M

Campbell at 3M + Ceci + Yamamoto + Broberg + Bourgault + 2024 1st

At 3M it makes Campbell easier to buy out bury or trade with some retention for the Sharks. Ceci and Yamamoto balances the cap. Gives the Sharks 3 young pieces to help their rebuild.

To be honest I rather go for Pesce if he would sign an extension in Edmonton .

 

[Grinner]

3way idea.

To Carolina: Karlsson 25%
To Edmonton: Pesce
To San Jose: Edmonton 1st, Warren Foegele / Carolina 1st, Flyers 2nd, Carolina 2nd, Morrow

2 1st, 2 2nd, (any prospect not named Nikishin really) and Cap dump for 25% retaining of Karlsson
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I like this as a Sharks fan