Shane Doan solution to tanking

[DreamTheatre]

Sorry if anyone has posted this already, but I thought this was a great idea.

http://www2.tsn.ca/bardown/Story.aspx?Shane+Doan's+foolproof+solution+to+tanking&id=576818

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[Bangers]

Honestly, at this point I'm a fan of soccer-style relegation.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

This idea has been discussed many times before. It doesn't actually curb tanking. It rewards teams that actually tank because they're able to make changes to stop sucking (i.e. fire coaches, call up players, send down other players, etc...).

 

[J4M13M]

Are we going to start calling it the Doan Plan now? It's been known as the Gold Plan since Adam Gold proposed it at Sloan in 2012.

It's a good idea, and I'm all for it. But it's been on the radar for like 4 years and no action has been taken. Maybe changing the name will help.

 

[DreamTheatre]

Are we going to start calling it the Doan Plan now? It's been known as the Gold Plan since Adam Gold proposed it at Sloan in 2012.

It's a good idea, and I'm all for it. But it's been on the radar for like 4 years and no action has been taken. Maybe changing the name will help.

This was the first I heard of it. TSN is acting like he just thought this up tonight.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

wouldnt that make tanking happen at the start of the year?

or do all the teams start accumulating points when any team is eliminated?

in which case you have 9th place gets 1st overall every year?

 

[Del Preston]

The Oilers would have won McDavid last year this way.

 

[A91]

Not a fan

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

The Oilers would have won McDavid last year this way.

Yup. And it is a stupid idea. It would just create a new form of tanking. Lose every game until you're mathematically eliminated, then make changes. You could get like a 10 game head start on other teams.

 

[DreamTheatre]

Yup. And it is a stupid idea. It would just create a new form of tanking. Lose every game until you're mathematically eliminated, then make changes. You could get like a 10 game head start on other teams.

I’m not sure that most teams set out from the start of the year to tank. (Oilers too)

A least then it will give the last 20 games some meaning for teams and fans that are out of contention.

 

[Liquidchill]

wouldnt that make tanking happen at the start of the year?

or do all the teams start accumulating points when any team is eliminated?

in which case you have 9th place gets 1st overall every year?

You start at 0 points once your mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. Which means we get a 2+ week head start and continue to secure 1st OA

 

[Black Gold Extractor]

You start at 0 points once your mathematically eliminated from playoff contention. Which means we get a 2+ week head start and continue to secure 1st OA

The biggest problem is that a lot of teams are eliminated only in the last couple of games, so it's basically impossible for them to accumulate any reasonable number of points. The 1st overall is then basically a lock for the bottom couple of teams again.

Perhaps it would be better by having the points count toward the weighting in the lottery rather than the team with most points being guaranteed the 1st overall.

 

[AUAIOMRN]

This idea has been discussed many times before. It doesn't actually curb tanking. It rewards teams that actually tank because they're able to make changes to stop sucking (i.e. fire coaches, call up players, send down other players, etc...).

Thank you...

It amazes me that:

1. This exact same idea gets reposted every few months as if it's something "new"

2. That people actually don't recognize the point you posted about why it fails to do what it purports to

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Solution to tanking I heard was the bottom 10 teams all get same odds at 10% at first overall. Every pick from 1-10 determined by lottery. With the parity in the league the bottom 10 teams this year are only 14 points apart right now, with the bottom 8 10 pts apart and the bottom 6 only 6 points apart. Not a lot of separation.

Of course mid tier teams might tank to get into that bottom tier for a shot. With any tanking solution there will be some way of circumvention or manipulation.

But the problem I have is the Oilers don't tank. We come by our ****tiness honestly. We are just a flawed hockey team and have been for a decade.

 

[Beerfish]

Well the main board gets two issues confused, the anti tanking part and the we don't want one team to get the top pick too often part. They are not the same.

The draft lotto worked perfectly last year in the anti tanking department. The teams that outright tanked failed to get the 1st overall pick. both teams trade starting goalies, one of them traded both goalies, Zona's gm admitted to tanking. Bufflaos Gm got all bent out of shape when he didn't get the #1 pick.

The Oilers were just their normal garbage selves but made no overt tanking moves. The system worked. The lotto should remain as is but just put in a proviso that one team cannot get the #1 pick two years in a row of something along those lines.

 

[McDNicks17]

It would cause teams to tank harder.

The earlier you're mathematically eliminated, the earlier you start accruing points and the better your pick becomes.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Meh a bunch of teams would have to be out at once.

 

[Aceboogie]

Not sure if its been mentioned

a) Doan is probably the 450th person to discuss this, its been a HF idea for 3 year snow
b) The Oilers "won" the most games after elimination last year, they would have still won McDavid
c) It just causes team to tank harder and faster. Send down good young players to AHL, lose, then call them back up. Dont sign vet FAs in offseason, but trade fro them at TDL. Or trade vets in Jan, trade for same caliber rentals at TDL
d) Different divisions, different strengths. If your division is crappy you wont be "eliminated" for longer, thus having less chance of gaining points. Oilers were only eliminated with what? 6 games left? NHL is going to determine draft lotto baised on a 10 game sample size that isnt even fair across all divisions. I dont think so.
Its stupid for a multitude of reasons. Plus if Shane f***** Doan supports it you know its stupid

 

[joestevens29]

The sad thing is we aren't actually trying to tank

 

[Kepler 186f]

Just get rid of the draft. All players are free agents.

All the best players will sign with the Leafs of course.

 

[Faelko]

The sad thing is we aren't actually trying to tank

I know right? It's terrible that we can't even finish ahead of teams that are purposely trying to lose.

 

[Aceboogie]

Just get rid of the draft. All players are free agents.

All the best players will sign with the Leafs of course.

Best solution IMO even if its a bit outlandish. Give every team "X amount of draft points". Worse teams get more, better teams get less, on a sliding scale

Then have a auction for 1st and 2nd round draft picks (later round picks can be bid or, or set a reserve price of "y" amount of points for a certain round). Any team has access to any pick, but they may have to pay up. The best team in the NHL could have a crack at a top 3 pick, but it probably means they only get 1 or 2 other late round picks. If things get crazy and teams bid all points, last place will still get access to 1st overall because they have the most points totals

A bottom 5 team could also play it smart and load up on second round picks and stand on sidelines as team go crazy for top 10 picks

What this solves:
- Issue that good teams dont get access to high draft picks. Now they do, but theyll have to pay up. They already get break in FA, so theyll have to pay at draft. But atleast theyll have the chance

-Bottom teams still have access to the best picks. But its not a mononply as it was before. If a 15th place team goes all in, theyll be forced to match and beat that. This will result in them getting less 2nd-7th round picks

What this doesnt solve:

-Tanking. Teams will still tank for that last place to get more points. But tanking is not glorious. You have to sell off assets for cheap, and by you not entering the UFA race, it drives down costs and increases UFA supply for other teams (to benefit). Not to mention it ruins your teams image for future UFAs. And the reward is a 18 year old prospect who may or may not turn out in 3 years

And in the above suggestion, you can modify things to decrease tanking. To satisfy some owners or GMs you could incorporate Doans "idea" and have the team the finishes with most points after elimination get "x" draft points as a reward

Of course best solution is to end the draft and let UFA market and cap figure tanking out. But this atleast introduces a method to end the draft monopoly of bottom 5 teams to the best prospects

 

[Dan403]

wouldnt that make tanking happen at the start of the year?

or do all the teams start accumulating points when any team is eliminated?

in which case you have 9th place gets 1st overall every year?

But 9th place is probably only eliminated on the last day or so of the season and then has zero opportunity to acquire points.

 

[Aceboogie]

If they were to do this idea, theyd sure have to find a mathematic equation to equalize division/conferences.

A slightly better method then original posted is to have say- every team with 30-40 points by Jan 1 (or whatever date) start accumulating points, then second wave of teams with 40-50 points start accumulating points as of this date.

It would need to be a waaaaaay larger sample size than 5 or 6 games. Teams routinely go on 5 game hot or cold streaks. Your telling me it fair to award a top pick to a blantant tanking team because they went 4-1 to end a season. Whereas a team trying their best went 0-5 after a solid season

Theyd atleast have to push back whatever "date" theyll start accumulating points to be min 20 games. (Still have it staggered so worse teams start sooner)

 

[Paralyzer]

Couldn't you do something more on the lines of "If eliminated by the 65 game, remainder of those teams games won will count towards who will be getting the 1st overall pick or at least, a better chance at it". That way every team has a fair chance at accumulating points.

Then the rest of the teams close to being eliminated but well past the 65 game will still round out the rest of the draft.