Sens players scoring paces

[Xspyrit]

What would be their point totals if they were to play 82 games at their current scoring pace


Player GP G A P

Bobby Ryan 82 23 44 67
Erik Karlsson 82 20 41 61
Kyle Turris 82 18 37 55
Mark Stone 82 20 32 52
Mike Hoffman 82 30 21 51
Mika Zibanejad 82 22 22 44
Clarke MacArthur 82 20 21 41
David Legwand 82 13 22 35
Milan Michalek 82 17 17 34
Alex Chiasson 82 15 19 34
Cody Ceci 82 6 19 25
Marc Methot 82 0 24 24
Erik Condra 82 10 13 23
Jean-Gabriel Pageau 82 7 11 18
Jared Cowen 82 5 11 16
Curtis Lazar 82 4 12 16
Mark Borowiecki 82 0 16 16
Patrick Wiercioch 82 3 13 16
Chris Neil 82 9 6 15
Eric Gryba 82 0 13 13
Zack Smith 82 6 3 9
Chris Phillips 82 0 7 7
Colin Greening 82 4 0 4



Mike Hoffman (51)-Mika Zibanejad (44)-Bobby Ryan (67)
Clarke MacArthur (41)-Kyle Turris (55)-Mark Stone (52)
Milan Michalek (34)-David Legwand (35)-Alex Chiasson (34)
Curtis Lazar (16)-Jean-Gabriel Pageau (18)-Erik Condra (23)
Chris Neil (15)-Zack Smith (9)

Marc Methot (24)-Erik Karlsson (61)
Jared Cowen (16)-Cody Ceci (25)
Mark Borowiecki (16)-Eric Gryba (13)
Patrick Wiercioch (16)-Chris Phillips (7)

OUT : Colin Greening (4)

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[Micklebot]

What would be their point totals if they were to play 82 games at their current scoring pace?


Player GP G A P
Bobby Ryan 82 23 44 67
Erik Karlsson 82 20 41 61
Kyle Turris 82 18 37 55
Mark Stone 82 20 32 52
Mike Hoffman 82 30 21 51
Mika Zibanejad 82 22 22 44
Clarke MacArthur 82 20 21 41
David Legwand 82 13 22 35
Milan Michalek 82 17 17 34
Alex Chiasson 82 15 19 34
Cody Ceci 82 6 19 25
Marc Methot 82 0 24 24
Erik Condra 82 10 13 23
Jean-Gabriel Pageau 82 7 11 18
Jared Cowen 82 5 11 16
Curtis Lazar 82 4 12 16
Mark Borowiecki 82 0 16 16
Patrick Wiercioch 82 3 13 16
Chris Neil 82 9 6 15
Eric Gryba 82 0 13 13
Zack Smith 82 6 3 9
Chris Phillips 82 0 7 7
Colin Greening 82 4 0 4

Seems like you answered your own question...

/thread.

 

[WhiteLight*]

Seems like you answered your own question...

/thread.

pretty much

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Literally every guy below Hoffman is a disappointment. Zibanejad/Legwand/Michalek/Chiasson arent awful, but still.... MacArthur needed a much bigger season than this, and I also really don't like the fact that we only have one DMan on pace for more than 25 points.

 

[Six Assets]

Seems like you answered your own question...

/thread.

lol

 

[Karlsson2Turris*]

Poor Karlsson, this team is dragging his stats down big time.

 

[Micklebot]

If discussion on who is producing over and under expectations is what you were actually looking for:

Above expectation:

Stone, Hoffman

Below expectations:

Ceci, MacArthur, Wiercioch, Karlsson for the first half.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Stone with a tremendous year considering he was bottom 6 for half the season.

If he can hit another level with 60+ points then my God is our RW group looking mucho perfecto.

 

[Sensinitis]

Missing one more 60+ point guy, but there's some nice depth there.

Pending another step forward from Zibby, that's 6 players with 50+ points.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Seems like you answered your own question...

/thread.

Seriously.

 

[GreatStateofHockey]

Literally every guy below Hoffman is a disappointment. Zibanejad/Legwand/Michalek/Chiasson arent awful, but still.... MacArthur needed a much bigger season than this, and I also really don't like the fact that we only have one DMan on pace for more than 25 points.

Zibanejad has been performing fairly well since he was a healthy scratch early this year. 55 point pace since then. Obviously we would like to see that higher, but I'm confident Zibanejad can become a good first line center, or if somehow Ottawa finds someone better than he could be a great number two.

 

[OmniSens]

I really doubt Greening would have scored 4 goals.

 

[Xspyrit]

Seems like you answered your own question...

/thread.

And you think I don't know that?

lol I did the work to calculate these paces and I have been doing for years...

I simply asked a question and then provided the answer. I'm starting a thread, not asking a question in a PGT.

Guess, I'll remove the "?" because it creates mass confusion!

 

[GWNR]

Seems like you answered your own question...

/thread.

Obviously was starting a discussion...you know because it's a discussion board.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

Zibanejad has been performing fairly well since he was a healthy scratch early this year. 55 point pace since then. Obviously we would like to see that higher, but I'm confident Zibanejad can become a good first line center, or if somehow Ottawa finds someone better than he could be a great number two.

Yeah I'm not concerned with Zibanejad, he's been great recently, you just obviously want a bit more consistency. It will come, I'm sure.

 

[Xspyrit]

Mike Hoffman (51)-Mika Zibanejad (44)-Bobby Ryan (67)
Clarke MacArthur (41)-Kyle Turris (55)-Mark Stone (52)
Milan Michalek (34)-David Legwand (35)-Alex Chiasson (34)

Curtis Lazar (16)-Jean-Gabriel Pageau (18)-Erik Condra (23)
Chris Neil (15)-Zack Smith (9)

Marc Methot (24)-Erik Karlsson (61)
Jared Cowen (16)-Cody Ceci (25)
Mark Borowiecki (16)-Eric Gryba (13)
Patrick Wiercioch (16)-Chris Phillips (7)

OUT : Colin Greening (4)

Speaking only of offense, the actual set-up is dependant on Zibanejad breaking out (or drafting a high end center). Then Hoffman and MacArthur producing a little bit more and the offense would be fine (actually 15th in G/G, 0.14 from Chicago, which is 9th)

Obviously need more production on defense.

Literally every guy below Hoffman is a disappointment. Zibanejad/Legwand/Michalek/Chiasson arent awful, but still.... MacArthur needed a much bigger season than this, and I also really don't like the fact that we only have one DMan on pace for more than 25 points.

Disagree and here's why :

You can't have 9 forwards scoring over 50 pts a year... it's impossible and I never seen that in low scoring eras... maybe even in higher scoring eras...

Michalek-Legwand-Chiasson as three 35 pts players is actually decent/good for a 3rd line. Many teams have that kind of production from their 5th and 6th best scoring forwards...

Zibanejad is 21 y/o and has been a 40 pts player (0.50 PPG) pretty much all the way for now... That's very encouraging and the player can still breakout and become more. 132 forwards had 40 points or more last year, that's in average 4.4 per team

Agreed on MacArthur who has a mediocre output and about the defense production, which is down a lot this year.

If discussion on who is producing over and under expectations is what you were actually looking for:

Above expectation:

Stone, Hoffman

Below expectations:

Ceci, MacArthur, Wiercioch, Karlsson for the first half.

Wiercioch is a big disappointment but not sure about Ceci... 25 pts at his age is great, I see his peak as a 2-way 35/40 pts Dman so it's normal if there's still place for improvement.

Missing one more 60+ point guy, but there's some nice depth there.

Pending another step forward from Zibby, that's 6 players with 50+ points.

Looks like a guy like Spezza is missing

I really doubt Greening would have scored 4 goals.

lol, it's purely mathematical though

 

[Micklebot]

Obviously was starting a discussion...you know because it's a discussion board.

Wow, some people can't take a joke. As you may not have noticed, I provided my input to the actual conversation.

Had I know some people would take my reply literally, maybe I would have but a in my post, but I thought it went without saying.

 

[Micklebot]

Wiercioch is a big disappointment but not sure about Ceci... 25 pts at his age is great, I see his peak as a 2-way 35/40 pts Dman so it's normal if there's still place for improvement.

Sure, but I expected a bit more from him. Tbh, the real disappointment is that he hasn't played a more prominent role on the PP. I was expecting him to man the 2nd unit, which just hasn't happened with Karlsson playing the full 2 mins most times. He's got about the same amount of PP time as Wiercioch, but spread out over an extra 23 games.

 

[Real Smart Sens Fan]

TO Xspyrit:

I agree you cant have all of them producing more, my main point was that we need at least one of those guys to take a step up production-wise, given the fact that Mac has under-performed offensively.

 

[Xspyrit]

Wow, some people can't take a joke. As you may not have noticed, I provided my input to the actual conversation.

Had I know some people would take my reply literally, maybe I would have but a in my post, but I thought it went without saying.

wow I even missed the sarcasm myself... Answered you seriously... lol I know you're a brilliant poster, I should have known you knew that I knew what I was doing

The "pretty much" and "seriously" replies were funny

Sure, but I expected a bit more from him. Tbh, the real disappointment is that he hasn't played a more prominent role on the PP. I was expecting him to man the 2nd unit, which just hasn't happened with Karlsson playing the full 2 mins most times. He's got about the same amount of PP time as Wiercioch, but spread out over an extra 23 games.

Since it's his sophomore season and his damn young, I think next season could already be the breakout for Ceci. That "kid" has been developing at a really fast pace.

TO Xspyrit:

I agree you cant have all of them producing more, my main point was that we need at least one of those guys to take a step up production-wise, given the fact that Mac has under-performed offensively.

That guy is mainly Zibanejad OR the guy we will draft with a top-10 pick this June... I think guys like Stone and Chiasson still have some untapped potential but the production problem is 1C and 2LW. 1LW could also produce more...

That being said, even if Prince and Puempel (or Paul/Lindberg) are the real deal, I don't see them producing over a 35 pts pace if they aren't top-6 forwards with PP time.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Haha mickle. That was classic. Lock this baby up!

Cool thread, especially of you're willing to update them every week or two. I would say that Zibby is producing as expected. Kid (and I can't stress enough the fact that he is a kid) is flying nicely under the radar after a bad start. Hoping he really breaks out in the next 2-4 years.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

Looking at those numbers, one can't help but think we can afford to move one of our potential 50 point guys

Stone/Hoffman

in package for a 70-80 point guy

80-55-50
50-60-70

That is perfecto top 6 production

 

[Boud]

Looking at those numbers, one can't help but think we can afford to move one of our potential 50 point guys

Stone/Hoffman

in package for a 70-80 point guy

80-55-50
50-60-70

That is perfecto top 6 production

The package would have to include significant other pieces. Hoffman's value alone is probably not that high, Stone probably a little higher since he's younger. a 1rst, Stone/Hoffman, and a good roster player would probably land us a 70-80 point player.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

Looking at those numbers, one can't help but think we can afford to move one of our potential 50 point guys

Stone/Hoffman

in package for a 70-80 point guy

80-55-50
50-60-70

That is perfecto top 6 production

I tend to agree with you, RKL. Hoffman is the more flashy player and goal scorer, which tends to draw more league-wide interest (see ASG). I'd rather keep the more cerebral assassin in Stone. I had both these guys pegged as flash in the pans, so never hire me as a scout. But Ottawa should take advantage of this pleasant surprise and use one of them as a great piece in a trade for an elite winger. We can get by with Zib and Turris as our top 2 centers if we have elite wingers.

It's funny.. I had Turris pegged as a disappointment based on expectations as our 1C, but he is quietly producing, albeit with numbers you'd expect from a 2C (where he belongs). But if Zib can take on that role in the next few years, it puts us in a great spot. A Hall is easier to acquire than an elite 1C.

 

[DrunkUncleDenis]

The package would have to include significant other pieces. Hoffman's value alone is probably not that high, Stone probably a little higher since he's younger. a 1rst, Stone/Hoffman, and a good roster player would probably land us a 70-80 point player.

Oh absolutely. We can't get much from just Hoffman alone, but it is a much more interesting piece to a potential suitor than say a Michalek. Hoffman has more value than you might think, IMO, and I'm trying not to use my homer glasses. He's on a 30 goal pace.

He's a great roster piece in a pick+prospect+roster player deal.