Sens hire Jim Little as CEO and now he's fired...

[Tuna99]

None of it matters, really. I don't care that Little swore, that he's strong-willed, or even that he got fired.

What I want to know is what part of his "direction" did Melnyk disagree with? That's what caused the confrontation in the first place, and from what Little said publicly, he wanted to do all of the right things.

This is less about Little, and more about what their differences actually were.

just a guess but probably didn’t fall in line with the things Melnyco will never do:

1. Admit the fans have been though a lot but it’s time to mend fences

2. Spend money to rehab the image.

3. bring the alumni back into the fold

 

[harrisb]

Haha you did it again...well done. I clearly pointed out the real strawman going on and the fact that I was directly talking to people cheering on this behavior and that was your answer?

Sureeee

Nobody condoned abuse in the workplace. What they did condone is yelling and swearing at Melnyk out of frustration, for that they totally respect Little. Again, you purposely tried to misrepresent facts. Also, your entire "abuse" argument is a straw man, your alternate facts are a straw man, pretty well every angle you have taken is a straw man.

This is fun, facts are hard for you

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

"Everyone"?

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I think it would be safe to say that "strong-willed" is a pretty common self-assessment among executives at that level. It's rare to have the career aspirations to move that far up within corporate structures in his capacity without being a bit of a brash personality.

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Having known & worked with a handful of CEOs around town, my experience is that "bit of a brash personality" is an understatement.

Takes a special kind of person to rise to that level, and they're not always "special" in a good way.

 

[Tuna99]

Having known & worked with a handful of CEOs around town, my experience is that "bit of a brash personality" is an understatement.

Takes a special kind of person to rise to that level, and they're not always "special" in a good way.

my experience has been totally different with top
Level execs of multi million dollar business - generally very kind and welcoming, polite and inclusive. Not they know everyone’s name but are respectful and set an example they want their group to follow

 

[harrisb]

my experience has been totally different with top
Level execs of multi million dollar business - generally very kind and welcoming, polite and inclusive. Not they know everyone’s name but are respectful and set an example they want their group to follow

This tends to be the outward facing persona. Internally they have real teeth and have used them to climb the ranks. It’s the nature of corporate politics

 

[Micklebot]

Having known & worked with a handful of CEOs around town, my experience is that "bit of a brash personality" is an understatement.

Takes a special kind of person to rise to that level, and they're not always "special" in a good way.

There's a theory that the demographic of top level execs has a disproportionately high rate of psychopathy/sociopaths when compared to the general population. The high end of estimates is roughly around 1 in 10 C suite execs exhibit enough traits to score as psychopaths.

Robert Hare, the guy who created the current diagnostic tool psychopathy, wrote a book about it a while back, I haven't read it myself, but have come across the theory a number of times. The men who stare at goats writer even wrote a book about it.

my experience has been totally different with top
Level execs of multi million dollar business - generally very kind and welcoming, polite and inclusive. Not they know everyone’s name but are respectful and set an example they want their group to follow

This fits right into the above theory I mentioned lol...

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

There's no room for that in the Ottawa Senators front office. Its yes men all the way down.

People, use your tools to block the fools.

Dude. Everyone knows it's turtles all the way down.

 

[Upgrayedd]

No need to let this thread get off the rails from solely one contrarian at this point, this topic is seemingly getting all of us , save 1 on the same page as we are all realizing we just want this team to be good and respectable again, ive really enjoyed some of the takes in here which clearly used critical thinking!

What led to this blowup yet again and the initial lie "core values" press release from the Sens regarding the reason and subsequent Bettman follow up are the real stories here.

For many of us it gives a split second to daydream of a sale and remember what it was like being an actual sports fan of the local team with hope before crashing back to our absolute sports hell miserable existence! Seeing the current buffoon fail again and again is basically the only entertainment we have left!

 

[coladin]

According to my source, it was basically over Melnyk not allowing Little to do this job. He would run things by Melnyk, and Melnyk would not approve as he is worried about the bottom line. Ultimately, everything Jim wanted to do, Melnyk did not want to pay, which culminated in a fiery phone call. As far as my source knows, he did not tell him to "Go bleep yourself".

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Swearing wouldn't be an issue

 

[GrantLemons]

According to my source, it was basically over Melnyk not allowing Little to do this job. He would run things by Melnyk, and Melnyk would not approve as he is worried about the bottom line. Ultimately, everything Jim wanted to do, Melnyk did not want to pay, which culminated in a fiery phone call. As far as my source knows, he did not tell him to "Go bleep yourself".

Eugene truly doesn't give a flying f*** about fixing the franchise. He just wants to project to the fans and community that he actually does, while expending as little resources as possible doing so.

Going to be hilarious when he brings in another yes-man C suite hack to call CEO and attendance is still flat as f*** next season.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[MiscBrah]

Melynk wanted to do another Boro sit down video and Little called that video, "the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever seen."

Or something like that.

 

[Micklebot]

According to my source, it was basically over Melnyk not allowing Little to do this job. He would run things by Melnyk, and Melnyk would not approve as he is worried about the bottom line. Ultimately, everything Jim wanted to do, Melnyk did not want to pay, which culminated in a fiery phone call. As far as my source knows, he did not tell him to "Go bleep yourself".

I mean, this was the most likely explanation as to why Little would have a heated disagreement.

Purely speculation on my part, but I suspect strong language and swearing amounts to something like "what the **** am I doing here if you're going to micromanage everything and not get out of my ******* way". Might have thrown in some personal jabs like "don't be a ******* coward and take some financial risks to make this work".

The core values the sens are basing the dismissal on would then come down to something like "treat everyone with integrity and respect".

One thing to me is pretty clear; this is going to make it a lot harder to find qualified people to take the job. Nobody wants to work in that type of role if they don't have the autonomy to realize their vision.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Melynk wanted to do another Boro sit down video and Little called that video, "the dumbest f*cking thing I've ever seen."

Or something like that.

I'd say it was For F Sake Eugene .. this is the job you hired me to do. Let me do my f'n job.

Eugene: NO

 

[Qward]

According to my source, it was basically over Melnyk not allowing Little to do this job. He would run things by Melnyk, and Melnyk would not approve as he is worried about the bottom line. Ultimately, everything Jim wanted to do, Melnyk did not want to pay, which culminated in a fiery phone call. As far as my source knows, he did not tell him to "Go bleep yourself".

This is pretty much what I heard too. Mine was a friend of a friend though.

 

[coladin]

I mean, this was the most likely explanation as to why Little would have a heated disagreement.

Purely speculation on my part, but I suspect strong language and swearing amounts to something like "what the **** am I doing here if you're going to micromanage everything and not get out of my ******* way". Might have thrown in some personal jabs like "don't be a ******* coward and take some financial risks to make this work".

The core values the sens are basing the dismissal on would then come down to something like "treat everyone with integrity and respect".

One thing to me is pretty clear; this is going to make it a lot harder to find qualified people to take the job. Nobody wants to work in that type of role if they don't have the autonomy to realize their vision.

Your speculation is about 95% of what Jim said lol

 

[Qward]

I'd say it was For F Sake Eugene .. this is the job you hired me to do. Let me do my f'n job.

Eugene: NO

More "What the f*** are we even doing here then? or are you just wasting my f***ing time?"

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

According to my source, it was basically over Melnyk not allowing Little to do this job. He would run things by Melnyk, and Melnyk would not approve as he is worried about the bottom line. Ultimately, everything Jim wanted to do, Melnyk did not want to pay, which culminated in a fiery phone call. As far as my source knows, he did not tell him to "Go bleep yourself".

Sounds about right.

No one can work with this piece of shit. FYOUS is a flock of shit

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

According to my source, it was basically over Melnyk not allowing Little to do this job. He would run things by Melnyk, and Melnyk would not approve as he is worried about the bottom line. Ultimately, everything Jim wanted to do, Melnyk did not want to pay, which culminated in a fiery phone call. As far as my source knows, he did not tell him to "Go bleep yourself".

Makes sense. Word certainly be frustrating to deal with. Meddling Melnyk

 

[umma gumma]

According to my source, it was basically over Melnyk not allowing Little to do this job. He would run things by Melnyk, and Melnyk would not approve as he is worried about the bottom line. Ultimately, everything Jim wanted to do, Melnyk did not want to pay, which culminated in a fiery phone call. As far as my source knows, he did not tell him to "Go bleep yourself".

Which is why other NHL executives don't want to work for him. Difficult and frustrating to do your best with handcuffs on.

 

[Laphroaig]

Eugene truly doesn't give a flying f*** about fixing the franchise. He just wants to project to the fans and community that he actually does, while expending as little resources as possible doing so.

Going to be hilarious when he brings in another yes-man C suite hack to call CEO and attendance is still flat as f*** next season.

My sentiments exactly. I don't believe Melnyk had any intention of allowing Little to make the kinds of constructive changes he advocated for. Little was hired to polish a turd. When he realized this and spoke truth to power in a strait forward and unambiguous fashion he was fired.

 

[Blarginator]

I mean, this was the most likely explanation as to why Little would have a heated disagreement.

Purely speculation on my part, but I suspect strong language and swearing amounts to something like "what the **** am I doing here if you're going to micromanage everything and not get out of my ******* way". Might have thrown in some personal jabs like "don't be a ******* coward and take some financial risks to make this work".

The core values the sens are basing the dismissal on would then come down to something like "treat everyone with integrity and respect".

One thing to me is pretty clear; this is going to make it a lot harder to find qualified people to take the job. Nobody wants to work in that type of role if they don't have the autonomy to realize their vision.

Short of an intervention from the NHL (again), I don't believe anybody respectable would take the job at this point.

 

[Upgrayedd]

I guess a small positive here is that it essentially confirms we are doomed with Eugene as owner full stop, there's nothing to be gained by wishing for a change in character or beliefs at this point as it won't happen, the team under current ownership will continue to be unsuccessful and will seemingly exist to maintain the current lifestyle of the owner solely. Barring no challenge from the league itself and no further health issues or a desire to sell from Eugene, I predict continually lowering attendances until the team inevitably folds due to bankruptcy, I don't think the league would ever allow Eugene to enter a new market and thus view that option as off the table.

 

[Micklebot]

I guess a small positive here is that it essentially confirms we are doomed with Eugene as owner full stop, there's nothing to be gained by wishing for a change in character or beliefs at this point as it won't happen, the team under current ownership will continue to be unsuccessful and will seemingly exist to maintain the current lifestyle of the owner solely. Barring no challenge from the league itself and no further health issues or a desire to sell from Eugene, I predict continually lowering attendances until the team inevitably folds due to bankruptcy, I don't think the league would ever allow Eugene to enter a new market and thus view that option as off the table.

In what world is that a positive, small or otherwise...