Prospect Info: Senators Prospects Watch 2017/2018

[toxic poster]

no we are not.. I know its in jest but we wont.. and if we take him at 5-7 not that bad

If we take him at 5-7 it means Bouchard, Dobson, Wahlstrom, Bokk, Veleno, Smith, Hughes are all on the board still. No thanks

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Hey our prospects made a top 50 list this year .,. Just forwards though
Top Prospects: The Forwards

Does anybody else think that our AHL team is so void of talent for developing the prospects that they are being funneled into bottom 6 specialists .. Do young players with talent not have to be surrounded by more talented AHL players to develop or hone that part of their skillset? If the guy playing next to you has a hard time playing any kind of possession game , but is really good at picking up a puck a center ice and firing it in the Ozone and chasing it. I am starting to think that the lack of skill down there is actually doing a disservice to our prospects.

McGuire again today mentioned Colin White.. and I can see him shaking his head on how he is being developed.

 

[Karl Prime]

Hey our prospects made a top 50 list this year .,. Just forwards though
Top Prospects: The Forwards

Does anybody else think that our AHL team is so void of talent for developing the prospects that they are being funneled into bottom 6 specialists .. Do young players with talent not have to be surrounded by more talented AHL players to develop or hone that part of their skillset? If the guy playing next to you has a hard time playing any kind of possession game , but is really good at picking up a puck a center ice and firing it in the Ozone and chasing it. I am starting to think that the lack of skill down there is actually doing a disservice to our prospects.

McGuire again today mentioned Colin White.. and I can see him shaking his head on how he is being developed.

It's a big concern for me how the promising prospects are being used in the AHL. Next season it's a no-brainer to have Brown and Batherson on the first line and give them lots of ice-time but that seems doubtful if KK is still in charge.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

It's a big concern for me how the promising prospects are being used in the AHL. Next season it's a no-brainer to have Brown and Batherson on the first line and give them lots of ice-time but that seems doubtful if KK is still in charge.

lol Selleck will be ahead of them on the depth chart

 

[JungleBeat]

How we develop players is awful.

 

[18Hossa]

How we develop players is awful.

Pretty sure Chlapik ended up playing that game though. But to even consider healthy scratching him is mind boggling

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Pretty sure Chlapik ended up playing that game though. But to even consider healthy scratching him is mind boggling

I cannot say for sure as to the reason, but the game before Chlapik took a penalty with 6 minutes left in the game... The Sens ended up losing that close game ... KK mentioned untimely penalties and something about coming from the same players in his post game... maybe its just a coincidence.

 

[JungleBeat]

Pretty sure Chlapik ended up playing that game though. But to even consider healthy scratching him is mind boggling

Yup, there’s some awful management going down there. We should be looking at how Tampa develops players in Syracuse. There’s no way you can tell me Cirelli and Stephens are better prospects than White & Chlapik, yet they are producing great and leading the team.

 

[18Hossa]

Yup, there’s some awful management going down there. We should be looking at how Tampa develops players in Syracuse. There’s no way you can tell me Cirelli and Stephens are better prospects than White & Chlapik, yet they are producing great and leading the team.

Yea exactly. I really wanted us to look into Brisebois(Syracuse Gm) instead of promoting Dorion from within.

 

[aragorn]

Hey our prospects made a top 50 list this year .,. Just forwards though
Top Prospects: The Forwards

Does anybody else think that our AHL team is so void of talent for developing the prospects that they are being funneled into bottom 6 specialists .. Do young players with talent not have to be surrounded by more talented AHL players to develop or hone that part of their skillset? If the guy playing next to you has a hard time playing any kind of possession game , but is really good at picking up a puck a center ice and firing it in the Ozone and chasing it. I am starting to think that the lack of skill down there is actually doing a disservice to our prospects.

McGuire again today mentioned Colin White.. and I can see him shaking his head on how he is being developed.

Where their talent ends up is usually up to the player that decides that, isn't it? If certain players have the talent to move up in the lineup or to get more minutes they have to show they deserve it. I don't think it's right either to put players in positions where they could fail pretty badly either, for example expecting Brown or Batherson to carry Belleville next season sounds unrealistic.

IMO we have a few top six prospects coming & a few bottom six players in Belleville. Ottawa needs both & where or how they develop while important should be left to the professionals to best gauge that. Is it more important that the minor league team has a successful season or that the prospects are developing in a successful manner?

IMO Paul & Gagne are probably 4th line players with 3rd line potential. White, Perron, Luchuk, Kelly, Formenton & Chlapik are probably 3rd line players with 2nd line potential. Brown & Batherson are prbably 2nd line potential with top line potential & we may get another top six forward in this upcoming draft.

??? - Brown - Batherson
Perron - White - Kelly
Formenton - Chlapik - Luchuk
??? - Paul - Gagne

Chabot in almost everybody's opinion is a top pairing defenceman, while Pokka, Wolanin & Lajoe is have 2nd pairing potential. Englund, Jaros & Harpur are probably 3rd pairinf defencemen with 2nd pairing potential. Again a little bit of everything which is good depth.

Chabot - Pokka
Lajoie - Jaros
Englund - Harpur/Wollanin

In net, they have Hogberg as probably a good backup with #1 potential & Gustvasson who is being talked about as a future #1 goalie. Dreidger & maybe one of the other guys could be a good callup.

Gustvasson - Hogberg/Dreidger

They seem to have depth at every position in the organization but what they haven't done at the minor league level is have some collective success in a while. While they are not meshing as a team, individually their are a lot of good stories happening with the prospects.

It's a big concern for me how the promising prospects are being used in the AHL. Next season it's a no-brainer to have Brown and Batherson on the first line and give them lots of ice-time but that seems doubtful if KK is still in charge.

I think it is way too much to ask to rookies to carry the team as their top line players. Is it more important for the AHL team to have success every season or to develop players so that when they get to the NHL, they are well prepared to be more successful there? Development should be more important than team success at the AHL level, otherwise why wouldn't they just sign the best AHL players, if that was more important.

 

[Xspyrit]

Hey our prospects made a top 50 list this year .,. Just forwards though
Top Prospects: The Forwards

Does anybody else think that our AHL team is so void of talent for developing the prospects that they are being funneled into bottom 6 specialists .. Do young players with talent not have to be surrounded by more talented AHL players to develop or hone that part of their skillset? If the guy playing next to you has a hard time playing any kind of possession game , but is really good at picking up a puck a center ice and firing it in the Ozone and chasing it. I am starting to think that the lack of skill down there is actually doing a disservice to our prospects.

McGuire again today mentioned Colin White.. and I can see him shaking his head on how he is being developed.

No Batherson? No Formenton?

 

[Micklebot]

No Batherson? No Formenton?

Where would you have them on that list? White is 39, Chlapik 47th. Not sure I'd have either Formenton or Batherson ahead of them, particuarly if you weight NHL readiness heavily

 

[mianjo]

Logan Brown is still banged up and will sit out to rest a nagging injury. The team is hoping to get him back in the lineup before the playoffs begin

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

No Batherson? No Formenton?

The list is really quite bad .. look where they have Julien Gauthier for example... Its just some dude's ranking.. I would not put too much weight in it.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Where their talent ends up is usually up to the player that decides that, isn't it? If certain players have the talent to move up in the lineup or to get more minutes they have to show they deserve it. I don't think it's right either to put players in positions where they could fail pretty badly either, for example expecting Brown or Batherson to carry Belleville next season sounds unrealistic.

IMO we have a few top six prospects coming & a few bottom six players in Belleville. Ottawa needs both & where or how they develop while important should be left to the professionals to best gauge that. Is it more important that the minor league team has a successful season or that the prospects are developing in a successful manner?

IMO Paul & Gagne are probably 4th line players with 3rd line potential. White, Perron, Luchuk, Kelly, Formenton & Chlapik are probably 3rd line players with 2nd line potential. Brown & Batherson are prbably 2nd line potential with top line potential & we may get another top six forward in this upcoming draft.

??? - Brown - Batherson
Perron - White - Kelly
Formenton - Chlapik - Luchuk
??? - Paul - Gagne

Chabot in almost everybody's opinion is a top pairing defenceman, while Pokka, Wolanin & Lajoe is have 2nd pairing potential. Englund, Jaros & Harpur are probably 3rd pairinf defencemen with 2nd pairing potential. Again a little bit of everything which is good depth.

Chabot - Pokka
Lajoie - Jaros
Englund - Harpur/Wollanin

In net, they have Hogberg as probably a good backup with #1 potential & Gustvasson who is being talked about as a future #1 goalie. Dreidger & maybe one of the other guys could be a good callup.

Gustvasson - Hogberg/Dreidger

They seem to have depth at every position in the organization but what they haven't done at the minor league level is have some collective success in a while. While they are not meshing as a team, individually their are a lot of good stories happening with the prospects.



I think it is way too much to ask to rookies to carry the team as their top line players. Is it more important for the AHL team to have success every season or to develop players so that when they get to the NHL, they are well prepared to be more successful there? Development should be more important than team success at the AHL level, otherwise why wouldn't they just sign the best AHL players, if that was more important.

Point is you need to surround the young prospects with quality veteran players not a bunch of plugs that can't make plays

 

[Cosmix]

Hmm that move looks familiar...

Lest we forget!

IMO they take this yr's pick if it is in the top 10 & it look like it will be. They will have an entire yr to try & get another 1st rd pick for next yr & considering what could transpire this summer they could get one by trading Karlsson or Pageau or Ceci next season. They are in a good spot right now to get a good player so they should take it now & let's see what happens between now & the next draft.


Well they have Karlsson who is already considered the best defenceman in the NHL & they are in second last place. It will take more than one defenceman & who knows how he will turn out. There are a number of good young players who could help this franchise in the top 10 & hopefully with good scouting the Sens get a very good player or the BPA.

I agree with taking the BPA; however the Senators sometimes seem to pick players who are not rated by the various rating services as the BPA. There are some players the Sens passed on who would look very good now on this team or in Belleville.

 

[Zorf]

So with the acquisition of Gustavsson and the excitement around him, I was curious if anyone had any updates on the other goalies in the system?
I just looked them up on Eliteprospects.com. I hope their info is up to date!

Hogberg has jumped between the ECHL and the AHL all season. His stats are better in the ECHL, but that may also be due to Belleville being a pretty crappy team. His stats in the ECHL are 13 GP, 2.87 GAA, 0.923 Sv%. Belleville: 3.60GAA, 0.890 Sv%

Joel Daccord. He's ok.....#dadjoke. Playing for Arizona State University. Not the greatest stats. 3.51GAA and 0.909 Sv% (32 GP)

Jordan Hollett. Injured right now. Playing for the Medicine Hat Tigers. Again, not the greatest stats: 3.44 and 0.896 (35 GP)

Chris Driedger. Brutal Stats in the AHL. in 10 GP with Belleville he's got a whopping 4.04 GAA and a 0.885 SV%. In just 6 games in the ECHL he's got great stats. 1.33 GAA and 0.952 SV%. Small sample size though.



I haven't seen much of any of them, short of the odd highlight saves. Has anyone seen them play that much? How do they look? Too early to be excited about any of them at this point (except for Gustavsson)?

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Warrenspiece: Looking at a future Stone contract, checking in on Colin White, and how about them Panthers?

Interesting quote from how KK sees it ...

“Every game is tough, almost every guy down here plays like Max McCormick. You can’t hide. Young guys need that.”

Now is he saying that for every team ? I don't think so.. no way he'd say that about guys like Sprong and Guenzel (from last year) .. or Kapanen or Gourde for example .. He has to be talking about the Sens,..right?... So is that what we want? A team full of Max McCormicks .. He's the measuring stick? ..

 

[HSF]

Warrenspiece: Looking at a future Stone contract, checking in on Colin White, and how about them Panthers?

Interesting quote from how KK sees it ...

Now is he saying that for every team ? I don't think so.. no way he'd say that about guys like Sprong and Guenzel (from last year) .. or Kapanen or Gourde for example .. He has to be talking about the Sens,..right?... So is that what we want? A team full of Max McCormicks .. He's the measuring stick? ..

Well its obvious that he means that a lot of guys play a harder brand of hockey in the AHL and you can't be sheltered down there.

He gets to be a big fish in a little pond and it’s not like he’s dominating down here,” said Kleinendorst. “Every game is tough, almost every guy down here plays like Max McCormick. You can’t hide. Young guys need that.”

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

“He gets to be a big fish in a little pond and it’s not like he’s dominating down here,” said Kleinendorst. “Every game is tough, almost every guy down here plays like Max McCormick. You can’t hide. Young guys need that.”
In terms of under the radar performers, Kleinendorst is high on stay-at-home defenceman Patrick Sieloff. Don’t be surprised if Sieloff, 23, receives a late-season call-up to the NHL.

lol Koach KK is straight up garbage ass coach. Get rid of this clown and his gym teacher GM. You should be developing young talent and your dumb ass down there talking about grit, in your last placed team? clown ass coaching in all levels. They are all stuck in 2004.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Batherson is still raw and his rapid progression is far from over

 

[SevenOfSpades]

On the one hand, I am distrustful of the minor league development system that allows guys like Chlapik to be scratched and Gagne buried in the depth chart. However, how much has changed since Hoffman and Stone graduated? I really feel those guys were seasoned properly before entering the league, and I'm not sure if any of the staff were radically different back then.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

On the one hand, I am distrustful of the minor league development system that allows guys like Chlapik to be scratched and Gagne buried in the depth chart. However, how much has changed since Hoffman and Stone graduated? I really feel those guys were seasoned properly before entering the league, and I'm not sure if any of the staff were radically different back then.

Check out this 2013-14 regular season roster Forwards

9	Matt Puempel	LW	L	6-1	205	Jan 24, 1993	Essex, ON
10	Buddy Robinson	RW	R	6-6	232	Sep 30, 1991	Bellmawr, NJ
11	Danny Hobbs	F	R	6-0	200	Jun 21, 1989	Shawville, QC
15	Cole Schneider	LW	L	6-1	200	Aug 26, 1990	Williamsville, NY
16	Mark Stone	RW	R	6-3	203	May 13, 1992	Winnipeg, MB
20	Andre Petersson	RW	R	5-9	177	Sep 11, 1990	Olofstrom, Sweden
22	David Dziurzynski	LW	L	6-3	228	Oct 6, 1989	Lloydminster, AB
23	Corey Cowick	LW	L	6-3	214	Aug 1, 1989	Gloucester, ON
24	Stephane Da Costa	C	R	5-11	185	Jul 11, 1989	Paris, France
36	Wacey Hamilton	C	L	5-11	184	Sep 10, 1990	Cochrane, AB
37	Darren Kramer	LW	L	6-1	210	Nov 19, 1991	Peace River, AB
57	Derek Grant	C	L	6-3	205	Apr 20, 1990	Abbotsford, BC
17	Garrett Thompson	C	R	6-2	191	Mar 7, 1990	Traverse City, MI
18	Shane Prince	LW	L	5-11	193	Nov 16, 1992	Spencerport, NY
19	Jim O'Brien	C	R	6-2	221	Jan 29, 1989	Maplewood, MN
21	Ryan Dzingel	F	R	6-0	196	Mar 9, 1992	Wheaton, IL
25	Vincent Dunn	F	L	5-11	195	Sep 14, 1995	Hull, QC
27	Mike Hoffman	LW	L	5-11	176	Nov 24, 1989	Kitchener, ON
41	Jakub Culek	LW	L	6-3	187	Sep 7, 1992	Plzen, Czech Rep.
44	Jean-Gabriel Pageau	C	R	5-9	171	Nov 11, 1992	Ottawa, ON
45	Ludwig Karlsson	F	L	6-3	190	Jan 6, 1991	Stockholm, SWE
93	Mika Zibanejad	C	R	6-2	200	Apr 18, 1993	Huddinge, Sweden

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Huge difference in skill and style of players IMO

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

College Free Agent lists

As is a yearly tradition, we release mini-reports on the top 40 college free agents. Here is the first set. (done alphabetically)

Top 2018 College Hockey Free Agents - Last Word on Hockey

Top 2018 College Hockey Free Agents, Part Two - Last Word on Hockey

Top 2018 College Hockey Free Agents Part Three - Last Word on Hockey

Part 4 Top 2018 College Hockey Free Agents, Part Four - Last Word on Hockey
Sens should be having a close look at these guys to stock the cupboards and create a more competitive team in Belleville .

 

[LastWordArmy]

Thanks, one more coming, with maybe the best pure free agent (undrafted) in the class... Schuldt.