Trade: [SD/WSH] Juan Soto and Josh Bell to San Diego for Luke Voit, CJ Abrams, MacKenzie Gore, Robert Hassell III, James Wood & Jarlin Susana

[DougieSmash]

Poor Voit. From NY to Padres... to Nationals.

 

[MAHJ71]

 

[Unholy Diver]

Bob Melvin probably thinks he died and went to heaven, SD probably added more payroll in 48 hours than the A's did in the decade or so he was in Oakland

 

[Terry Yake]

Bob Melvin probably thinks he died and went to heaven, SD probably added more payroll in 48 hours than the A's did in the decade or so he was in Oakland

probably more than they've added in almost 20 years

 

[BLONG7]

ESPN is calling Soto maybe the best young player ever?? Idk seems way over the top, he hasn't even hit that well this season and his WS run has made his hype enormous

No protection for him, no one behind or in front of him to help...............he took a ton of walks....

 

[Cas]

ESPN is calling Soto maybe the best young player ever?? Idk seems way over the top, he hasn't even hit that well this season and his WS run has made his hype enormous

That's clearly hyperbole - Trout was better than Soto at the same ages, just as one recent example - but Soto is very clearly in pretty rarified air. There aren't a lot of players who have hit as well as he has at the same ages, and they're mostly clear Hall of Famers or future inductees.

 

[GKJ]

The difference is Soto won a World Series (and was great in it) and played for an east coast team where he can be talked about more. It’s not like Trout but wasn’t talked about either, but this is still sports, and you need to win (maybe not the World Series but you need to be good), and beyond that he’s basically resigned himself to never doing it given the contract he signed.

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Nationals sent Abrams to AAA.

That is the right move.

 

[Neutrinos]

That's clearly hyperbole - Trout was better than Soto at the same ages, just as one recent example - but Soto is very clearly in pretty rarified air. There aren't a lot of players who have hit as well as he has at the same ages, and they're mostly clear Hall of Famers or future inductees.

I think sometimes people don't make a clear enough distinction between player and hitter

Trout was the better player, and Soto was likely the better hitter

 

[KevFu]

Their owner isn't that rich(for mlb standards) , how are they affording this?

Padres attendance has been stable around 2.1 million for most years. But their revenue is up $95 million from 6 or 7 years ago.

When the Chargers left SD for LA, the Padres got an influx of revenue via advertising and fan dollars that used to go to the Chargers.

Despite the same attendance, Padres ticket prices have risen to 5th most expensive in MLB, because fans who were buying Chargers tickets are going to more Padres games. They priced out some people so the total attendance is about the same, but it's more money.


Plus they can blow it up and reduce their payroll after 2023. They're trying to win a World Series this year or next year because Machado can opt out of his contract after 2023, which is a year before Soto hits FA. They'll have the option of "Replacing" Machado with Soto by signing Soto, OR they can let Machado walk and TRADE SOTO themselves with 1 year of control left, bringing in a haul of prospects which will probably be about the same as what they gave up to get him.

 

[Voight]

Read the other day that the Nats have only the 8th best farm system despite trading Soto, Scherzer and Turner in the last year. Not exactly good news.

 

[KevFu]

Read the other day that the Nats have only the 8th best farm system despite trading Soto, Scherzer and Turner in the last year. Not exactly good news.

That's really misleading though, because Josiah Grey and Keiber Ruiz were the top prospects they got last year for Scherzer/Turner, but have "graduated" off the prospect list.

 

[markog]

Padres attendance has been stable around 2.1 million for most years. But their revenue is up $95 million from 6 or 7 years ago.

When the Chargers left SD for LA, the Padres got an influx of revenue via advertising and fan dollars that used to go to the Chargers.

Despite the same attendance, Padres ticket prices have risen to 5th most expensive in MLB, because fans who were buying Chargers tickets are going to more Padres games. They priced out some people so the total attendance is about the same, but it's more money.


Plus they can blow it up and reduce their payroll after 2023. They're trying to win a World Series this year or next year because Machado can opt out of his contract after 2023, which is a year before Soto hits FA. They'll have the option of "Replacing" Machado with Soto by signing Soto, OR they can let Machado walk and TRADE SOTO themselves with 1 year of control left, bringing in a haul of prospects which will probably be about the same as what they gave up to get him.

It's Machado's call what to do, San Diego has no say if he opts in or out. They're at his "mercy" regardless his contract.

 

[Neutrinos]

Does anybody still think Soto is going to get more than the 440 million he was offered by Washington?

Juan Soto Rejects 15 yr $440 Million offer from Nationals

forums.hfboards.com

He's hitting .218 since joining the Padres, and just .164 through 18 games this season

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

I would say no, he won't.

But he may end up signing 2 contracts that bring him more $ than 440 M over those 15 years.

This Padres tenure has definitely quieted down comparisons to Ted Williams and co.

 

[Canes]

I would say no, he won't.

But he may end up signing 2 contracts that bring him more $ than 440 M over those 15 years.

This Padres tenure has definitely quieted down comparisons to Ted Williams and co.

Cohen and Arte Moreno after losing out on Shohei, he's still gonna get 400 mill eventually.

 

[Unholy Diver]

As of right now it certainly looks like he might have made a mistake by turning the 440M down, but with the way the Nats do business, half of that money might have been deferred for 100 years and due to be paid to his great great grandkids

Assuming he doesn't continue to struggle this badly for the whole season I would still guess he pulls in a pretty large sum, probably even a higher AAV over an 9-10 year deal than the Nats deal offered