Scrivens vs Fasth (poll edition)

[No Good Names Left]

I don't think its anyone's job right now. How can you say it's Scrivens to lose? He hasn't proved anything. You want competition in camp and the best way is to have it completely open...

 

[Zaddy]

If Fasth can stay healthy, I think he's better. Scrivens really fell off the map last year at the end of the season.

However, if the number ends up at under 50% it probably means that we suck again because I think Scrivens' is going to get a long look at the start of the season and get given every chance to be the man.

It's easy at first to come into a crappy situation. It's hard to be the man for a whole season and seasons down the road.

I agree with this. I think, in essence, Fasth is the better goalie but with a very slight margin. His biggest problem is injuries and that's why I think Scrivens is gonna be the #1 by the end of the year. Although honestly I wouldn't mind a 50-50 share of the load between these two. I don't see Scrivens as a guy who can play 60+ games a season and be consistent. It's his job to lose right now though and it's up to him to show he can be a consistent #1 goalie in this league.

 

[OiledUp]

As been stated this is obviously Scrivens job to lose but Fasth has pretty much spent his entire career beating the odds and battling hard for his spot. He always seems to end up on top so I wouldn't be surprised if he does it again. If you look at his SHL play the only guys who's shown a similar level of play in that league the last 15-20 years are Lundqvist and Tim Thomas, at least imo, and they did ok in the NHL. Not that I think he's on their level but here's to hoping.
Unproven starters or not, I like this duo, I like this gamble.

 

[coffeyland]

The oilers are in a great position. Both goaltenders can play NHL minutes and they are both eager to fight for the starting job. Training camp should be very interesting. Considering their low salaries, it's a great position to be in. I'd love to see a recent retired goaltender to come in and help coach them. Or maybe an old oiler ... Maybe bill ranford? What is grant fehr up to?

 

[n7]

Down the road, Scrivens is the better goalie.

Short-term, it's really hard to say, but i suspect Scrivens will see more games.

 

[oobga]

I think Scrivens was under .900 in the last month of the season, so we have yet to see if he can handle #1 duty when the games actually matter. I'd say 50/50 too, but there is also a chance neither guy we have can handle being a #1.

 

[Seedling]

I put it at 50/50 for now.

I think people are overrating Scrivens and underrating Fasth a bit on hfoil

Agreed. Fasth, IMO, will emerge as the better goalie.

 

[bucks_oil]

I voted 50 - 59%. There is no doubt that Scrivens has talent, and can play net. There is doubt that he can handle a season being "the guy". Its not easy. Ask Salo, Shtalenkov, back up Bob Essensa, and the myriad of goalies that we have had since Cujo played here.

I won't even say Cujo was that great, he sucked regular season, you had to get the guy into the playoffs to shine. Its been a long time since the Oilers had a great goalie. To long. I don't think throwing Scrivens to the wolves is going to help him, and I have some respect for Fasth, so I am not saying he can't play.

However, we have brought in three new guys on D. Anytime you make that many changes, it takes time to get to know tendencies, and how to play as a unit. Good luck. Its going to be a tough ride, I am afraid. Goalies have to make up for all the mistakes, and they take most of the blame. To many turnovers, and to many bad decisions with the puck has lost most Oiler games. I don't expect that trend to change. I hope I am pleasantly surprised.

In fairness to Salo, statistically, his first three season here trounced any Oiler goalie before or after:

1999-00 Edmonton Oilers NHL 70 1 8 4164 162 0 2 2.33 27 28 13 1713 0.914 5 0 2
2000-01 Edmonton Oilers NHL 73 1 4 4364 179 5 8 2.46 36 25 12 1677 0.904 6 0 0
2001-02 Edmonton Oilers NHL 69 1 2 4035 149 5 6 2.22 30 28 10 1564 0.913 - - -

Even Cujo, who left only one season before Salo arrived, only pitched a 2.63, 0.905 season in 1998 (his best season with the Oil)

Obviously I recognize that Salo was a bit more fragile and fell off the map quickly, but you cannot dispute those three seasons where he averaged over 70gp, under 2.40 GAA and a 0.910 spct.

No one in oiler history comes close to those three seasons.

 

[bucks_oil]

ya, bit of a bell shaped distribution going on. where pretty much every one is just over 50%. not a ton of confidence in him though, which is fine, he needs to prove he can hold the #1 job down.

I have plenty of confidence in him... it's just that I also have a tone of confidence in Fasth. I think these guys are going to be a decent tandem for a few years until Fasth age catches up with him.

 

[McGoMcD]

I have plenty of confidence in him... it's just that I also have a tone of confidence in Fasth. I think these guys are going to be a decent tandem for a few years until Fasth age catches up with him.

Well I should say I have a lot of confidence that Scrivens can be a very good back up, he has proven that, the question is can he handle the load and be a #1. I think Fasth has proven he can be a great back up to, which is good, we have two proven back ups who hopefully can be a #1. of course we had that last year too, but, I have a lot more faith in one of these two than Dubs or Labarbera

 

[lakai17]

90% +

 

[Aceboogie]

50%. If Fasth can come back healthy he can win the job. He stole the job from a still good Hiller in Anahiem.

 

[Stainsy]

In fairness to Salo, statistically, his first three season here trounced any Oiler goalie before or after:

1999-00 Edmonton Oilers NHL 70 1 8 4164 162 0 2 2.33 27 28 13 1713 0.914 5 0 2
2000-01 Edmonton Oilers NHL 73 1 4 4364 179 5 8 2.46 36 25 12 1677 0.904 6 0 0
2001-02 Edmonton Oilers NHL 69 1 2 4035 149 5 6 2.22 30 28 10 1564 0.913 - - -

Even Cujo, who left only one season before Salo arrived, only pitched a 2.63, 0.905 season in 1998 (his best season with the Oil)

Obviously I recognize that Salo was a bit more fragile and fell off the map quickly, but you cannot dispute those three seasons where he averaged over 70gp, under 2.40 GAA and a 0.910 spct.

No one in oiler history comes close to those three seasons.

I know what your saying statistically. There are lots of great players statistically. However, how many bring it when making the playoffs are on the line, or in the playoffs. Salo seemed to **** the bed when it was a big game. Sure, he had lots of not so much pressure games where he looked great, then the pressure game hits (like against Dallas) and he lets in four goals on six shots. Yeah. He wasn't so great.

 

[TheBusDriver]

>90% think Scrivens will likely still be the starter at seasons end. Impressive.

 

[nexttothemoon]

Fasth is the better goalie so probably an 80% chance Fasth is their #1 by the end of the year.

Saying that... this has the potential to be a solid 1-2 goaltending duo.. maybe the best goalie pairing the Oilers have had in a long, long time.

 

[MessierII]

I'm about 60-40 on it. Scrivens looked dominant at times last year so I give him the edge but Fasth warrants enough respect that I wouldn't be shocked to see him usurp the spot from him.

 

[McOvechking]

Scrivens will be a top ten goalie in this league, imo. I picked >90% for that reason.